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Post by swanleygill on Jan 29, 2015 23:24:20 GMT 1
Ok so having just paid £6.99 to watch it, here is what i thought.
I was actually quite pleased with our attacking play, sometimes it was good, our goal was really well worked, if only loft had scored at the end of first half. But on the other hand our defending, well, what can i say, it got better as the night went on, but that first 25 mins was really like watching a sunday league side and no im not joking, how city didnt score 10 in that period is beyond me, it all just look shoddy.
I was impressed by and large with most players, especially the effort and commitment shown, but the players who left me underwhelmed included Loft, i just expected more from him, he has not shown much since we signed him, Hoyte had a interesting night, not all bad, but i expected better, Dack, as good as he can be, he plays far far to many blind passes which go nowhere, Hess Jnr i can barley remember seeing or being mentioned which can't be a good thing for a midfielder, Mcglashan i find so frustrating, i don't think he is as quick as we all think, took his goal well, but is often so predictable.
I thought Egan, Ehmer and Cody were our stand out class players, Nelson had a decent night as did pritchard. Martin was ok in general.
So a 1-1 away at brizzle with the aggregate score Matt Smith 5 Gillingham 3, Lots to ponder, shame no trip to wembley. I feel the gills right now are at a nowhere kind of place, what i mean is, if we had gone through tonight, it would have been a cup shock, people were talking about bradford beating chelsea, borough beating city, sheff utd nearly beating spurs, once upon a time we were the cup shockers and beating teams like bradford and wednesday when they were both in the prem, but now, we are no where, we never really look/ed like causing a upset, but we were not embarrassed either.
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Post by muppet on Jan 30, 2015 0:16:33 GMT 1
Cheers swanley for the report, but from reading if I'm a little confused as you say our defenders were stand out/ok and midfield lacking, so when you mention our defending was Sunday league I assume it is as a number of us have said recently more down to our midfield frailaties?
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Post by swanleygill on Jan 30, 2015 0:24:04 GMT 1
Cheers swanley for the report, but from reading if I'm a little confused as you say our defenders were stand out/ok and midfield lacking, so when you mention our defending was Sunday league I assume it is as a number of us have said recently more down to our midfield frailaties? It was just weird, things like playing offside when the right back was playing everyone 3 yards onside, it looked like a lack of direction and they didnt know what they were supposed to do, yes the midfield didnt help a great deal, and by egan/ehmer being good i meant individually with the things they do, but the back 4 again as a unit was suspect. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 1:25:47 GMT 1
Over all thought we produce a positive outcome,obviously not for this competition, but as an overall performance that is encouraging and shows that we are improving, augmenting our recent performances,I'm really beginning to feel that we are on the mend.and that there are positive signs on the horizon.
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Post by swansgills888 on Jan 30, 2015 3:09:16 GMT 1
Managed to catch the game when it was 1-1 . We should have won the game or gone ahead towards end of first half and early second half, but some poor finishing let's us down. I think if marquis was playing we could and should have made the tie more of a math.
Assessment.
Nelson looked shaky and kuqi was right about him, he needs to command his area better and come out for crosses more.
Maglashan was decent. He looked like he could trouble them with his pace and scored a nice goal.
Cody, Dack, egan and ehmer were good.
Loft is playing poorly, he does look off the pace and I'm very disappointed with his attitude and cody should be the captain. Jake hess is slow and cumbersome and does really convince me he should be on our team, workrate is very poor indeed can't help thinking his dad's influence the main reason he is in the side. Martin is awful player and garmston better player by a country mile, pritchard... very lightweight indeed and lazy... I don't rate the fella even if he played under kuqi in Finland and hoyte is still a weak link at the back. If we can resolve these issues with better players and some better coch ing from a new manager, we could still make the playoffs, we are not that far off them places but does Scally want us to challenge this season and invest quickly now or just plod along till next season, which I think would be a mistake because we have plenty of points to play for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 7:55:47 GMT 1
If you'd seen the first half, Pritchard controlled the midfield in parts. One of his best games for the club. Martin played really well. Combined well with Glash down the left and one crucial tackle kept out Smith when certain to score.
I don't actually think Egan had a great game. Smith beat him for the goal and he struggled aerially against him, which is no disgrace as Smith is a class above.
I'm still waiting for the Loft who played at Vale, but overall really pleased with how we played
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Post by gillsjan on Jan 30, 2015 8:04:58 GMT 1
At least we did not kent ourselves down fir a TV performance first I hear Hess mentioned was about 15 minutes into the game. Agree can't see Loft at al. First half hour they were certainly controlling the game. Very impressed with our lads after that they showed spirit and had BC on the run. Considering they were not expected to do much this did not deter them, I was pleased with the result and the determination that they showed. Let's hope the same comes out at Walsall. Pity about Jo Martin having just come back from injury. Cody has certainly found his form again.
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 30, 2015 8:15:29 GMT 1
Managed to catch the game when it was 1-1 . We should have won the game or gone ahead towards end of first half and early second half, but some poor finishing let's us down. I think if marquis was playing we could and should have made the tie more of a math. Assessment. Nelson looked shaky and kuqi was right about him, he needs to command his area better and come out for crosses more. Maglashan was decent. He looked like he could trouble them with his pace and scored a nice goal. Cody, Dack, egan and ehmer were good. Loft is playing poorly, he does look off the pace and I'm very disappointed with his attitude and cody should be the captain. Jake hess is slow and cumbersome and does really convince me he should be on our team, workrate is very poor indeed can't help thinking his dad's influence the main reason he is in the side. Martin is awful player and garmston better player by a country mile, pritchard... very lightweight indeed and lazy... I don't rate the fella even if he played under kuqi in Finland and hoyte is still a weak link at the back. If we can resolve these issues with better players and some better coch ing from a new manager, we could still make the playoffs, we are not that far off them places but does Scally want us to challenge this season and invest quickly now or just plod along till next season, which I think would be a mistake because we have plenty of points to play for. I am sorry I know football history is full of strange stories.But the play offs really?I know this league is tight but we lack a key ingredient which is experience.Don't get me wrong I am delighted we have a young side that can and will improve with time.This year is all about changing the way we do things at Gills.For me Scally made a call he maybe had to make looking back on Taylor's era. The freedom the side is now showing was needed.But I would agree investment is needed in a few senior players but they have to be picked very carefully.A high paid pro who does not put in a shift could do a lot of damage.We already have one or two that I feel could do with the right man in charge to give them the kick up the backside.But thankfully this squad doesn't have a MacCammon. One or two good displays does not make us play off contenders.But the pride and passion and enjoyment can be seen it is a start.Investing in January unless the club suddenly get a windfall cost much more than the close season.After all there are a lot of gaps still to fill to get us anywhere near the Bristols of this world one step at a time please.There is a big job still to be done that is staying up until we make the magic 50 point mark we are far from safe.Do that then we can try to climb as high as possible.Anywhere near the top half will be a real achievement for the players and management including Taylor. As like it or not the side is largely one he put together. For reason I will never understand after being brave enough to put together our youngest ever 3rd tier side he was not brave enough to let them enjoy the game and press forward. |
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Post by wayne86 on Jan 30, 2015 9:48:02 GMT 1
I thought once we switched to a diamond we were much, much better. Loft was poor because he was out wide to start with. Once he moved to the middle, we were much better.
I took a lot of positives from the game and for once we weren't outclassed by Bristol City! If we play like that for the rest of the season, there's no reason we can't finish mid table.
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Post by terryjolleysboot on Jan 30, 2015 11:07:31 GMT 1
I thought once we switched to a diamond we were much, much better. Loft was poor because he was out wide to start with. Once he moved to the middle, we were much better. I took a lot of positives from the game and for once we weren't outclassed by Bristol City! If we play like that for the rest of the season, there's no reason we can't finish mid table. Agree with you , Loft has been a lot worse and I certainly do not rate young Hess as a defensive midfielder we should play him if anywhere further forward! One worry is that Nelson confidence seems extremely low at the moment! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 17:33:48 GMT 1
I find it odd that we call for experience, yet criticise Loft, PTs most experienced signing.
It's about character, not age. That's proven by Egan
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Post by muppet on Jan 30, 2015 19:59:49 GMT 1
Loft needs to be in the centre and when he is we are a better side and he is a better player. Hess needs leaving out to see how we play without him with Pritchard And loft central and the pace wide. Nelson as said before needs to be left out, to one get an arse kick and to get some confidence back.
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 30, 2015 20:09:22 GMT 1
I find it odd that we call for experience, yet criticise Loft, PTs most experienced signing. It's about character, not age. That's proven by Egan Loft has the armband and has played for a few years.But as for setting a example leading from the front as yet he hasn't for us anyway.I would sort of agree it is not just about age. But is is about experience also streight both physically and mentally that tends to come with age.Egan doesn't need the burden of the armband just yet.Loft clearly has found the going tougher that at Vale for reasons maybe of the general youth of the side.Looking back to the Championship years Smith and Hess captianed the side but in truth we often had 8-10 players who could have lead that side to success.This side needs guidance on the field with Keds and Barrett gone a lot falls back on Nelson,Cody and Loft.Legge and Martin largely out of the side.Only Cody seems thus far to have responded as well as needed.For me that is nowhere near enough.I am a great supporter of youth but we simply have to get in a leader on the pitch it is no easy job.Loft stepping down may not be needed he needs help not punishment getting him enjoying his game without worrying as much he seems to me like Nelson to be a little edgy during games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 21:19:26 GMT 1
I still think the problem with Loft was his pre season injury. We'll see the best of him next year, but he has been improving to be fair, especially in the holding role.
At the start of the season, I was hoping we'd play with 2 wingers.
It may now be that we play Loft and Pritchard in the middle and Dack and Glash out wide. I still feel Dack is a wide player and the best crosser at the club. Also feel he works harder than when he's at 10
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 30, 2015 21:54:22 GMT 1
Sorry I have to disagree over Dack he has 5 goals already this season even though most of the time has been spent nowhere near the goal.He make great runs into the box.Give him the freedom he will damage teams at our level as Lampard does in the Premier league. It is not pace with Frank or Bradley it is that little bit of something that other sides really do not know what to expect.When and where they will go.The freedom he is now getting under the current set up has lead to the improvement.Our goal against Bristol City showed what he can do.He would be wasted on the wing.Lampard has a good cross to but why would you want him to spend his time on the wing.Bradley can hurt team in the middle of the park it is a while since we have had a player that has his vision.As I has said he is not quick he has a fair cross but then so does Jake for me that is where I would play Jake at this stage of his career.Although long term I see him playing back in the central holding roll.
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