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Post by swansgills888 on Nov 22, 2015 12:40:24 GMT 1
After yesterdays defeat and the manner of it, do we need another few faces in or was it just a bad day at the office ??
if we really want to keep up with the top sides we will need to keep looking to bring in extra quality or use the loan system well, which we had done so far, but Coventry's loanees where a class above ours on Saturday or was it just really bad defending, main culprit being our cardiff loanee deja . I don't want have a go at Edinburgh because he is doing a fine job for us gills but I want us to keep pushing hard to improve our squad and to maintain a standard that we set ourselves now and it would be a great shame if we were to drop out of the promotion picture after Christmas.
I will be hoping for a nice win on Tuesday versus Rochdale.
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Post by statotheblue on Nov 22, 2015 14:18:56 GMT 1
It is more about getting the players we have putting in the performances we all know they can as they did v Bury. There is always going to be a lack of consistency with young players. But there are some in the squad who seem right out of sorts. While others have the odd poor game. Against Coventry who are clearly a good side it could be with the big ground and crowd too many players froze not just because it was cold. On the transfer front I can see a few more arriving. But we may have to wait till January as I have a feeling one or two more are leaving that could be another reason why we are seeing a few below par performances from them.
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Post by muppet on Nov 22, 2015 14:27:55 GMT 1
I agree stato, 1/2 possibly on the way and yes we do need 1/2 additions to keep up the progress that has clearly been made. I would like an older head or two to steady the ship when needed, loft cannot do that alone.
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Post by swanleygill on Nov 22, 2015 14:50:05 GMT 1
I hope we don't lose 10 on the bounce ehh swans888, you will be calling for JE sacking then  I think we all knew, and many said at the start of the season, days like yesterday will happen now and again, just glad it happened against a side 1 place behind us and not a bottom of the table team, we will be fine, id still snap a top 6 finish now if i had the chance. for me a top 10 is progress and a good season. |
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Post by taxman on Nov 22, 2015 14:56:00 GMT 1
Just wonder what the score would have been if Lennon had not been recalled on Friday. Would imagine we will need at least two quality loan signings if we want to push for top six, Jed might leave things as they are if he happy to continue to give the young team more experience, and settle for a top ten finish this year,
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Post by mrpthegillsfan on Nov 22, 2015 15:15:49 GMT 1
we all know ehmer is quality - but he will need a run of games to get his form and confidence back - there is no point signing a player on a 3 year deal and then not developing him - if the manger thinks he is not good enough then he has dropped a clanger and wasted a lot of our money signing him in the first place
oshilaja (yesterday aside) has been a class act, but a think max is as good as lennon - but any short term benefit of signing lennon has been at the long term expense of our own quality player
I honestly don't think je knows what his best team is, and seems to struggle with getting the balance in the side right sometimes
Jackson for me is a poor defender at this level, his long throw aside, he offers a little more end product going forward than mcglashan but is outclassed every week defensively - so this is one that je got wrong - trouble is when you play them both they get in each other's way and cancel each other out
garmston also struggles defensively, but is a threat going forward, as is Dickenson
we are torn apart down both flanks each week
whilst the team has done well we are not as good as the table suggests - we have had far more poor performances than good ones, and enjoyed a lot of rub of the green goals and decisions early season elevating us to where we are
that all said, this league is winnable by all but a few this season so I am not content with settling for anything other than the title
we need to build a team of our own players, not short term loaness
so scally needs to get the chequebook out in January to give us the 2 or 3 quality players we need - left and right backs and a striker who will work with cody / donnely - I would take a punt on marquis - don't think millwall would lend him to us but offer £25k for a player out of contract in the summer - could be a tidy bit of business
we are very close to a quality balanced team, but ti would be criminal to wait until the summer to strengthen the current weak areas, only to then be weakened in others with the loss of egan and dack for example
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Post by statotheblue on Nov 22, 2015 16:43:54 GMT 1
So we need a left back right back and to buy a forward but why not a few midfielders while you are at it and no more loans permanent
Get real for a moment. Scally has this fine to pay you want us to buy marquis who Millwall can't wait to off load a a few games apart has failed to do enough at this level. Unless there are players who want to leave then new contracted players during January are very unlikely. I would expect one or two to leave on loan at some point but that would only leave enough money to bring in 2 or 3 loans given we have already lost Lennon. Loan normally cost less than permanent signing in wages.
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Post by statotheblue on Nov 22, 2015 17:14:52 GMT 1
we all know ehmer is quality - but he will need a run of games to get his form and confidence back - there is no point signing a player on a 3 year deal and then not developing him - if the manger thinks he is not good enough then he has dropped a clanger and wasted a lot of our money signing him in the first place oshilaja (yesterday aside) has been a class act, but a think max is as good as lennon - but any short term benefit of signing lennon has been at the long term expense of our own quality player I honestly don't think je knows what his best team is, and seems to struggle with getting the balance in the side right sometimes Jackson for me is a poor defender at this level, his long throw aside, he offers a little more end product going forward than mcglashan but is outclassed every week defensively - so this is one that je got wrong - trouble is when you play them both they get in each other's way and cancel each other out garmston also struggles defensively, but is a threat going forward, as is Dickenson we are torn apart down both flanks each week whilst the team has done well we are not as good as the table suggests - we have had far more poor performances than good ones, and enjoyed a lot of rub of the green goals and decisions early season elevating us to where we are that all said, this league is winnable by all but a few this season so I am not content with settling for anything other than the title we need to build a team of our own players, not short term loaness so scally needs to get the chequebook out in January to give us the 2 or 3 quality players we need - left and right backs and a striker who will work with cody / donnely - I would take a punt on marquis - don't think millwall would lend him to us but offer £25k for a player out of contract in the summer - could be a tidy bit of business we are very close to a quality balanced team, but ti would be criminal to wait until the summer to strengthen the current weak areas, only to then be weakened in others with the loss of egan and dack for example As for the full backs both Garmston and Jackson have had good games in the past few weeks. This team do play very narrow that leaves both full back short of cover and with a lot of ground to cover. That does not make there job easy by any means. In retrospect I am sure JED wishes he had played a different line up. Guys like Ehmer will no doubt get a chance against Rochdale. It is up to him to prove himself again as so far this season his performances have be no where near that of the Garmston for example and he has had no more match time to get up to speed. Donnelly is likely to return I have notice he often supports the full backs getting back when he is needed and making some valuable tackles and interceptions. |
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Post by evo on Nov 22, 2015 21:36:07 GMT 1
we all know ehmer is quality - but he will need a run of games to get his form and confidence back - there is no point signing a player on a 3 year deal and then not developing him - if the manger thinks he is not good enough then he has dropped a clanger and wasted a lot of our money signing him in the first place oshilaja (yesterday aside) has been a class act, but a think max is as good as lennon - but any short term benefit of signing lennon has been at the long term expense of our own quality player I honestly don't think je knows what his best team is, and seems to struggle with getting the balance in the side right sometimes Jackson for me is a poor defender at this level, his long throw aside, he offers a little more end product going forward than mcglashan but is outclassed every week defensively - so this is one that je got wrong - trouble is when you play them both they get in each other's way and cancel each other out garmston also struggles defensively, but is a threat going forward, as is Dickenson we are torn apart down both flanks each week whilst the team has done well we are not as good as the table suggests - we have had far more poor performances than good ones, and enjoyed a lot of rub of the green goals and decisions early season elevating us to where we are that all said, this league is winnable by all but a few this season so I am not content with settling for anything other than the title we need to build a team of our own players, not short term loaness so scally needs to get the chequebook out in January to give us the 2 or 3 quality players we need - left and right backs and a striker who will work with cody / donnely - I would take a punt on marquis - don't think millwall would lend him to us but offer £25k for a player out of contract in the summer - could be a tidy bit of business we are very close to a quality balanced team, but ti would be criminal to wait until the summer to strengthen the current weak areas, only to then be weakened in others with the loss of egan and dack for example |
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Post by evo on Nov 22, 2015 21:46:23 GMT 1
absolute CR** our main problem is the diamond formation which JED insists on playing most of the time we get found out against good teams away from home because our full backs always have a2 on 1 situation. The liverpool wonderkid Kent didnt trouble Garmston at all yesterday and indeed moved over to the other wing. Jackson has been a decent defender and made one mistake yesterday which should have been cut out by our central defenders.
When we play the wingback formation our wingback takes their full back it is our centre backs that should take the wingers !
Our central defenders had a mare yesterday as did Mcdonald and Samuals didnt win anything in the air.
Dickerson when he came on to his credit did win some flick ons and tried to retain the ball. A flatter midfield with a 4-4-1-1 would have been better suited and I would have used Loft in midfield instead of Paddy.
So the question is is it the players or the formation that maybe at fault at times has JED got it wrong occasionally ?
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Post by muppet on Nov 22, 2015 21:47:07 GMT 1
Our full backs aren't the issue as far as I'm concerned, it's the set up on occasions. They are left alone far too often against 5 man midfielders. Still agree 1/2 players required.
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Post by evo on Nov 22, 2015 21:51:48 GMT 1
also just look at how much ground Garmston covered yesterday he was up and down all day and some of the returning runs from the opponents box were outstanding. No this boy is going to be a very good player for us. More importantly I would like to see Ehmer and Loft get fit !
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Post by evo on Nov 22, 2015 21:52:43 GMT 1
Totally agree Muppet
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Post by evo on Nov 22, 2015 21:58:44 GMT 1
Im also more worried about Mcdonald ? can JED actually coach him to head a ball ? he never gets anywhere near any crosses I might start calling him Dracula -Hes afraid of crosses !!!
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Post by swansgills888 on Nov 22, 2015 22:13:21 GMT 1
its a shame than I don't think donelly and macdonald really compliment each other because both are quiet similar and instinctive natural finishers, macdonald has taken a long time to get going and being in and out of the side in my eyes has effected his confidence to an extent, he needs a extended run up front and I'm confident he will bag loads of goals between now and end of the season,
I honestly would like us to sign marquis permanently to play with cody or Donnelly because we seemed to get the best out of him and I know Norris is back soon but I personally don't like him and don't think we are any better with him in the side.
I would like to see us tighten up at the back this Tuesday versus Rochdale and a nice 2-0 or 3-0 would be the order of the day.
up the gills !!!!
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