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Post by iblue on Nov 25, 2015 10:01:43 GMT 1
David Kerslake did the after match comments and Dale manager Hill complains about ref - now on GillsConnect - tinyurl.com/ppu469m |
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Post by statotheblue on Nov 25, 2015 11:47:57 GMT 1
Thanks I blue. Interested in Keith Hill's comment about Gillingham doing the basics well. On paper it it a bit hard to see how we are in the promotion places. Quality is out there of course mainly with Dack and Egan but judging from the games at Coventry and Walsall we are still a long way behind the best in terms of quality. Looking back over our history over the last 40 years I have followed the mighty Gills. When in what is now league one we have had better quality teams that have failed to get anywhere near the summit of this league.
So why is that?
Why are we where we are?
Good management maybe a bit of that.
But the manager can't be out on the pitch well not this one now anyway.
So why?
Well there is no great quality is there well we have not been in the main playing that well. Our forwards are in the main struggling.
So for me we have to read Keith Hill's word again.
Gills do the basics well.
Is that the key no we are not great by any means but this side graft and battle and work for each other. Far better players have pulled on a gills shirt in my time. But few if any team has ever tried so hard. So I would like to thank them for that whatever they as a group achieve is well deserved as they may not have the qualities of some of their predecessor's but they will fight for every point. Even when things go wrong as they have this season they as a group get back out there and do what they are good at the basics. It may not always be the prettiest but I will settle for that.
Keep fighting for every point and who knows.
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Post by swanleygill on Nov 25, 2015 14:42:22 GMT 1
I like the 'this isnt the most difficult game we will play' really, our home from would suggest it may well be, and the 'we can't keep doing this, complaining about referees' so whenever they lose they complain about the ref's, funny that.
Even at 4-0 down at coventry, we won the second half 1-0, we could have given up and folded, and we didnt, 4-1 is better that 9-0.
But yes, in general, we do probably have 4-5 players who would get in to most other League One sides, but the rest are boosted by good management, knowing there jobs, having a good spirit and fight about them. Do we have any moody pants dressing rooms wreckers at the moment, i can't think of any.
We do not have the biggest transfer budget, playing budget, salary budget, but we are where we are on merit, as JE has said, we are punching above our weight, but long may that continue.
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Post by gillsjan on Nov 25, 2015 14:59:14 GMT 1
IF we did manage to go up into the Championship we would need to be spending to improve the quality of the team. The team we have at present is not good enough to compete with current Championship teams. I wonder if we will manage to get the sort of budget sorted out necessary to facilitate this. I know this is a big IF but i would not like us to be in the same position that we were in when Martin Allen took us up into league 1 where the Management seemed to think that league 1 and league 2 were similar in playing ability. Personally I would hate the go up and then come straight down again into league 1. All hyperthetical at the moment of course but it's never to early to think about this as I am sure Gills managment are already doing.
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Post by swanleygill on Nov 25, 2015 15:04:32 GMT 1
IF we did manage to go up into the Championship we would need to be spending to improve the quality of the team. The team we have at present is not good enough to compete with current Championship teams. I wonder if we will manage to get the sort of budget sorted out necessary to facilitate this. I know this is a big IF but i would not like us to be in the same position that we were in when Martin Allen took us up into league 1 where the Management seemed to think that league 1 and league 2 were similar in playing ability. Personally I would hate the go up and then come straight down again into league 1. All hyperthetical at the moment of course but it's never to early to think about this as I am sure Gills managment are already doing. Take the famous 5 minutes match v man city, were we good enough to go up that year, had we done so, would we have come straight back down, all if this, if that, and irrelivent now, but i think the extra 12 months actually helped us. |
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Post by gillsjan on Nov 25, 2015 15:09:54 GMT 1
That is very true swanleygill like many others I was at the match.
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Post by statotheblue on Nov 25, 2015 15:39:26 GMT 1
It maybe true that there are some who could not make the step up should that become reality. But cross that bridge if ever we get there. You only have to look at Burnley and Bournemouth the likes of Daniels who did no look anything special with us and now plays in the premier league.
In some ways we are better placed than ever. A young team who year on year should improve therefor wages are not a added burden as became the case with many gills players and sides of the past. If we could make it a few good signings and a load of hard working players may be enough to keep us up. There are very few players I would guess receiving more money than they are worth therefore it is easier to move a player on should you need too. It is to early to say we can do it. Just that these lads will give it a go.
But if we do have the points to earn promotion and it is still a big IF. Don't rule out some of this side surprising all of us. I would much prefer 11 players out on the pitch that are going to give it a go. Than a 11 that have the talent but really don't give a monkey's.
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Post by statotheblue on Nov 25, 2015 16:10:28 GMT 1
Cast your mind back to Martin Allen's champions and ask yourself who is the only player has moved on. He wasn't a young developing player back then .Who played regularly was always said by many to have no chance of playing regularly to the required standard in league one. But despite the fact he wasn't the quickest or most talent is currently turning out for a top half league one side?
The reason why is because unlike some the players the player in question will always give his all in every game. If he can do it in this league many of our current players if they apply themselves in the right way can prove those those same people wrong again .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 17:02:16 GMT 1
Agreed we are not Championship material to date,however let us not loose sight of who we are and were we are.
We are young inexperienced side,riding high in the league and not yet halfway through the season,I know it has been said before and am sure it will be said again but surely we are learning and improving and the way is open for us to progress.
With over 50% of the season to come let us see what the new year,new transfer window (budget permitting) and future loans can bring us, feel sure JE has the knowledge and ability to take us forward.
At the end of the day let us not forget that, although we are at the moment denying it, we should walk before we run.
GOYG
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Post by swanleygill on Nov 25, 2015 17:18:43 GMT 1
Agreed we are not Championship material to date,however let us not loose sight of who we are and were we are. We are young inexperienced side,riding high in the league and not yet halfway through the season,I know it has been said before and am sure it will be said again but surely we are learning and improving and the way is open for us to progress. With over 50% of the season to come let us see what the new year,new transfer window (budget permitting) and future loans can bring us, feel sure JE has the knowledge and ability to take us forward. At the end of the day let us not forget that, although we are at the moment denying it, we should walk before we run. GOYG This is my point, Top 2 great, Top 6 great, Top 10 great, the longer we are in the top 1-6 the higher expectation will get and the harder the fall, if it does arrive, but lets imagine we hit the turn of the year with 45-50 points in the bag, how amazing would that be, It's always better to be playing looking up than playing looking behind. |
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Post by gillsjan on Nov 25, 2015 17:28:02 GMT 1
Totally agree dc 83 we are not Championship material to date and of course we can only comment on fact, not what we might be in six months time. I still feel we have been very lucky to have won some of our games, but won we have so you can't take that away from them. There is no doubt that Coventry is gearing up for promotion and that showed strongly last weekend with some of their loan signings. We do have a few players who I have no doubt will make the grade we also have a number who won't and replacements will need to be targeted. As I said before this is hyperthetical at this stage and my previous comments were really do do with budgets and the fact that I really would not like to see us go up and then come straight down again. I am sure that JE will already be planning ahead, which is what all good managers would do and I just hope that he gets what he needs in respect of budget when and if the time comes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 19:09:23 GMT 1
Also let us not forget that it is said that one makes ones own luck, this I feel we have done by sheer endeavour and tenacity,with more to come.
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Post by statotheblue on Nov 26, 2015 1:49:03 GMT 1
Cast your mind back to Martin Allen's champions and ask yourself who is the only player has moved on. He wasn't a young developing player back then .Who played regularly was always said by many to have no chance of playing regularly to the required standard in league one. But despite the fact he wasn't the quickest or most talent is currently turning out for a top half league one side? The reason why is because unlike some the players the player in question will always give his all in every game. If he can do it in this league many of our current players if they apply themselves in the right way can prove those those same people wrong again . The only player who left the club and now plays in league one is ADAM BARRETT My point is if Adam can step up again and prove most of the Gills faithful wrong there is no reason why others at the club at present can do the same. |
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