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Post by evo on Apr 28, 2016 12:43:41 GMT 1
This thread has reminded me why I originally gave up on this site before deciding to give it another go. The same old tripe gets trotted out over and over again. What on earth do people expect from a club that over the years has struggled to average gates much above 6,000. That's what JED means when he talks about overachieving. Loads of stupid comments about PS yet only a few months ago he was getting praise from all quarters for not cashing in on Dack and Egan as he could have done in the January transfer window. Hardly sounds like someone who is in it for himself. I know. Let's go and get a foreign investor. Charlton would be a good model. Be careful what you wish for ! I understand the frustration but we're not the first and won't be the last club whose form has collapsed after Christmas. Sorry Waldogills, but this isn't the same old tripe trotted out year after year. I've supported (that means I've paid to watch them) for over fifty years and of course the vast majority of those successful years have been under Paul Scally as the owner. I don't have a gripe with his chairmanship. Nevertheless, I like most supporters welcomed the thoughts of a young team strutting their stuff this season and the team growing into an exciting team for the future. My gripe, however, is that I don't believe the long term plan. Most of the team will be unrecognisable next season. As I said previously Dack will go, the young loan players who did well at the beginning of the season have returned and the present loan players will go as well. At least half of the youngsters have'nt made the progress JE hoped for. I don't believe JE will want to risk the same ideology next season without risking the sack. Let's not forget, the last four months have been relegation form. The whole idea of a young team bonding and building for the future is that the team stay together for a few season with a few additions as the group grows stronger. This takes a brave decision, one I think the supporters would have backed, so why did so many of those players get dropped and loan players take their places? As for your comment, what do people expect. Let me say this, in the ten years that the Brian Moore stand has blighted the Gillingham end. Maidstone Utd have risen from the ashes, build a new stadium, already increased the capacity of their Main Stand and have shown the ambition to get back in the football league. All this on gates of 1500. Gillingham supporters just want to see progress and ambition. That's not a lot to ask for. As for your comment about Charlton. I wonder who will return to the Championship first, Charlton, (and I'd like to say I couldn't care a less about Chalton) or The Gills, I know where my Money will be going. Nothing more to say really. [ Well I personally think scally has done a good job and bought an exciting manager and young team some things have worked well done we have been unlucky with . So ok let's go sell the club and bring in a new owner just like villa west brom and wolves have been trying for ages - it's really easy isn't it to sell a club? Get real enjoy the moment I can't believe you haven't been entertained this season and we've been a bit unlucky that's all !!
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Post by waldogills on Apr 28, 2016 12:48:10 GMT 1
The only place that his public image is questioned to any extent seems to be on this site which is probably why I'll go elsewhere. As I said I could list those who have a high regard for Paul Scally but I'm not going to reveal confidences. Those who can't see the good he's done for the club are not likely to ever been convinced so I don't think I'll bother to try.
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Post by holbrook on Apr 28, 2016 16:05:51 GMT 1
Well said waldo.
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Post by Greyfox on Apr 28, 2016 19:29:36 GMT 1
You're right Greyfox. It's not the same old tripe. It's brand new tripe ! Firstly, which of the new young players have been dropped in favour of loan players ? I can think of only one and that's Osadebe. Most of the loan players have been signed as cover for injuries. The comparison regarding Maidstone with regard to a new ground is truly laughable. How many years did it take Maidstone to get approval for a 3,500 capacity stadium in the town ? It was a lot longer than 10 years. There's no comparison with what Paul Scally is seeking to achieve. Given all the cold water that many supporters pour on his plan, I think he's the one showing ambition. A lot of the team will still be here next season and the likelihood is that we will have the proceeds from transfers to replace and bolster squad numbers where necessary. You may be right about Charlton but ask their supporters whether they would prefer the old regime to the new owners and I think I know what the answer would be. Remember when Charlton finished just outside the Europe slots in the premiership, some of their supporters complained about lack of ambition. This ultimately led to the sacking of Alan Curbishley and where they are now. As I said before, beware what you wish for. Also to Terryjollysboot, Paul Scally is very well regarded in football circles and that's a fact. He may have had issues in other areas but when it comes to the key areas of hiring and firing managers, supporting managers etc, he is well thought of. I'm not going to give away confidences but I know that to be the case. Firstly Waldogills, I can't see why you get upset by coming on this site. Just because others don't agree with your views. That's the beauty of debate. Of course you make some good comments about Paul Scally and I don't also don't doubt his ambition and as I said I haven't got a problem with him. However, having said that, you should also agree that the club has not moved on in the last 10 years. It's in exactly the same position as 1999, but without the fabulous team and probably the best team ever to Grace Priestfield. It doesn't matter what you or I think about the chairman, the club needs investment on a grand scale to progress to the next step. Bradley Garmston, Max Ehmer, Jake Hessenthaler, Arron Morris, Callum Davies, Brennan Dickenson, and Osadebe have all been overlooked in favour of different loan players this season. If you think my comment about Maidstone Utd is laughable, I can't see the joke. It may have taken them years to eventually get their new ground. But at least they got there. On that basis your comment is the joke, It's taken Gillingham FC 120 years to build a stand at the Gillingham End and they still haven't build it, or the money too. As I said Brian Moore would be embarrassed to have that tempory stand named after him. After all, it's only been there fifteen years. I want to believe I'll see the Gills playing in a new stadium, with Medway Coucil giving all the relevant planning permission. I've only been waiting since 1957, so hopefully it won't take too much longer, otherwise I'll be having my ashes spread on the pitch instead. I love your optimism Waldogills, but forgive me after all the years I've been supporting the Gills, it normally ends in disappointment.
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Post by waldogills on Apr 28, 2016 21:05:01 GMT 1
Grey fox, I'm not going to bother arguing with your jaundiced comments one by one. Could I recommend you take a look at the Fansonline Message Board and take a look at the thread, "Why I love Gillingham Football Club, regardless". It probably won't be to your liking because it's full of people posting comments on why they love the club and support it come what may instead of finding ever more ingenious and convoluted ways to criticise it.
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Post by terryjolleysboot on Apr 29, 2016 9:57:28 GMT 1
Grey fox, I'm not going to bother arguing with your jaundiced comments one by one. Could I recommend you take a look at the Fansonline Message Board and take a look at the thread, "Why I love Gillingham Football Club, regardless". It probably won't be to your liking because it's full of people posting comments on why they love the club and support it come what may instead of finding ever more ingenious and convoluted ways to criticise it. Pathetic!!
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Post by mrpthegillsfan on Apr 29, 2016 16:27:25 GMT 1
in response to waldogills suggesting scally is well regarded within football etc, it is odd then that Justin Edinburgh himself came out and said that despite being warned off working for scally by a lot of people within the game he took the job anyway and has had no issues. (yet) so that doesn't really back up what you claim to 'know'. probably influenced also by not having to drive from Essex to Newport every day for work, and the same time jumping up to mange in a higher division.
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Post by swansgills888 on Apr 30, 2016 5:46:51 GMT 1
waldo....I love gillingham football club. but we really do need to set higher standards and try to raise expectation, I do think this season has been good to an extent but the way we have dropped off is so alarming and unacceptable in my eyes. i really do hope we can come good v Burton and turn it around and maybe there is still a final twist to the season, otherwise it will be a long summer and seen as failure this season if if don't reach the playoffs. All the talk about punching above our weight is utter rubbish and just a poor excuse when things go wrong.
I do hope there is a bit of a clearout.
players like dickenson, morris, ehmer, norris in my opinion will need to be released because they are not first team players and I'm sure they are league 2 at best and we cannot be carrying passengers next season. regardless if we promoted or not.
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Post by swansgills888 on Apr 30, 2016 5:47:52 GMT 1
greyfox
I agreed with all your opinions and we'll said.
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Post by swanleygill on Apr 30, 2016 10:42:41 GMT 1
ehmer and morris 888 really, shows what little you really know about football
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 11:41:38 GMT 1
Just hope all the travelling fans have a good trip,and see the Gills come away with some points. Of corse three would be great,it would set up a thriller for next Saturday when Millwall come to town.
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Post by swansgills888 on Apr 30, 2016 17:45:32 GMT 1
we would then miss ehmer and morris. they have not been a mainstay in the side. there are far better players around , so they won't be a big miss. ehmer is comfortable on the ball but not mobile and heavy legged and morris is just average and cannot see him changing a game or having much of a presence and lack of goals in my eyes means bye bye mate.
disappointed not even getting a draw today and our leaky defence has been a big problem this year and midfield lacks goals once dack in not in the team.
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Post by mark8364 on May 3, 2016 0:06:59 GMT 1
888 you think Ehmer should be released? Are you going to pay the last 2 years of his contract? Thought not!
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Post by bert on May 3, 2016 9:41:36 GMT 1
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Post by occasionalvisitor on May 7, 2016 9:36:09 GMT 1
The world is full of local businessmen with a little bit of cash who think they can run a football club. Paul Scally isn't therefore the first to feel like he's outstayed his time at the Gills, but from a distance I'd at least say he's brought stability, never mind the five years of second tier football that many of us thought unachievable. We've had worse, Ron Wood anyone? Sacked Keith Peacock and kicked the supporters association out of Priestfield. No redeeming features whatsoever. This season has become a bit of an anti-climax. Best comparison I can think of (for us relative oldies) is 77/78 where the side just dipped in form and results from the start of March, after such an unexpectedly good first two thirds of the season. Back then a club with the same level of stability, albeit imperfect, was labelled as one which 'didn't want to go up'
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