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Post by donut on Jun 27, 2022 17:04:17 GMT 1
Actually, let’s look at why the budget isn’t keeping up with expectation. Here’s some selected average attendances: 00/01 9293 04/05 8528 07/08 6077 10/11 5232 12/13 6601 15/16 6361 18/19 4880 21/22 5167 So, if you have declining attendances, you aren’t going to get more money for transfers are you? If we cut prices, there is zero evidence it encourages more fans, but cuts revenue (indeed cheaper prices have been tried). The only way we get better is if people spend their money. Idiots like swans (and there are plenty more) want to bitch about the club without putting their hand in their pocket and making it worse Yes that’s all fine Hess…but let’s look at WHY attendances have fallen if you want a rounded debate.
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Post by hessisgod on Jun 27, 2022 23:18:37 GMT 1
Because the football has been dire to watch, especially under the FSW
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Post by swansgills888 on Jun 27, 2022 23:26:23 GMT 1
The club is in dire straits because the clown running the show is a charlatan. Hessisgod does not make his point very clear.
If the core product is poor, fans are entitled to and will think twice before they release their hard earned cash and attend games.
There have been so many false dawns under Scally that fans are really fed up.
We have reached a tipping point with a egotistical maniac running this circus.
COCO THE CLOWN will be signing up next week if we still short on numbers.
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Post by swansgills888 on Jun 27, 2022 23:31:45 GMT 1
Hessisgod...the only way we get better is if people spend money.
Please think before you spout off garbage without explaining. Lol
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Post by summerwell on Jun 28, 2022 5:30:17 GMT 1
Hess, you're right , of course, that we need more income- where the problem lies is that many have no faith that Scally would spend additional revenue on strengthening the playing side of the club.
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Post by hessisgod on Jun 28, 2022 7:40:18 GMT 1
To be fair to Scally, he takes a pretty consistent (some will say consistently high level of income) and the rest has gone to the club. Even if Sheik Mansour took over, we can only spend what we have under ffp rules. Scally has built himself a very fine lifestyle out of the club, but if anyone is telling me that the £200-250k a year he takes out of the club would turn us into world beaters, they’re incredibly deluded.
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Post by summerwell on Jun 28, 2022 11:29:31 GMT 1
I don't think anyone believes that but the issue is twofold. First, whether ANY additional income would be used eg for players salaries and the second is a matter of the fans' attitude. I have to admit that I do resent the amount of money Scally takes, not on a personal level but as a lifelong supporter of the club. What supporters think of the Chairman matters, in the sense that we all feel ( or don't) part of the same mission as our owner or whether we are just contributors to his bank account.
It's something I certainly consider when I spend my money on GFC, whether that's admission, IFollow or merchandise . If we were enjoying success, if we were signing on players we had heard of, if there weren't so much emphasis on the nightclub and the school, if we hadn't been fed such tosh about a new ground and investors there would be far less attention paid to the Chairman's 'consultancy' package.
I know it is a repetitive and often boring theme on this board but it is an ever-present fact of life that affects every aspect of our club.
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Post by swansgills888 on Jun 28, 2022 16:03:52 GMT 1
Well said Summerwell.
I do not resent anybody taking out good income from the club if it can be justified.
When you look at how poorly and deceitful he is running the club, then you realise why he is not respected among most supporters.
The point Summerwell raises is very important indeed, we have an owner who is a very divisive figure who has lots of well documented baggage who does not care about what supporters think about him.
He does take his main source of income for granted and when this happens. Then people do not feel valued or appreciated. Then naturally the fan base will dwindle or supporters will think twice about giving good money away. Quiet often fans will turn away through principle. Something that Scally does not understand.
He is out of touch with the people and it has reached a tipping point where no proper supporter can respect him or his views.
To the extent that he no longer does The Chairman's Chats on utube.
The were woeful.
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Post by hessisgod on Jun 28, 2022 19:02:13 GMT 1
I don't think anyone believes that but the issue is twofold. First, whether ANY additional income would be used eg for players salaries and the second is a matter of the fans' attitude. I have to admit that I do resent the amount of money Scally takes, not on a personal level but as a lifelong supporter of the club. What supporters think of the Chairman matters, in the sense that we all feel ( or don't) part of the same mission as our owner or whether we are just contributors to his bank account. It's something I certainly consider when I spend my money on GFC, whether that's admission, IFollow or merchandise . If we were enjoying success, if we were signing on players we had heard of, if there weren't so much emphasis on the nightclub and the school, if we hadn't been fed such tosh about a new ground and investors there would be far less attention paid to the Chairman's 'consultancy' package. I know it is a repetitive and often boring theme on this board but it is an ever-present fact of life that affects every aspect of our club. Summerwell, that’s a fair and balanced argument and way better than some of the tosh and bile written. FWIW, I’m of the view that the Chairman is entitled to take whatever money he wishes out of the club as he’s the Company owner. I’m not convinced that what he takes is terrible excessive, but others have different views and that’s cool. If he takes that money tax efficiently, that’s sensible. If he was paying more tax than needed, that’s simply stupid, in my view. Very few people pay more tax than they have to. The nightclub and the school are additional income streams and lucrative ones. I’d actually argue that the Factory has been run terribly poorly and the facilities are underused. I’d like more, not less focus on them as income streams to the club. There’s a good guy in charge of entertainment now who I know personally and he’s also a big fan of the club, so maybe that’ll help. You’re right to criticise Scally on broken promises and at time ludicrous statements. If I were in charge of his pr, my advice would be to shut up. What I think is unarguable though is that by withholding money from the club, we damage the team. Does anyone in their right mind believe that Scally would rather us be in league two compared with the Championship, where income would be so much higher? He will want the club to be successful, for purely selfish reasons. Now, you may argue he’s gone about it the wrong way (and I’d agree), but that’s another argument. The fact is, it’s unlikely that Scally will go anywhere any time soon. In the meantime as fans, we want the club to be as successful as possible. That means the club needs as much money as possible. My preference is that he goes, but nobody can make the owner of the club stand down or sell. Until he makes that decision (and it’ll come- he’s not a young man), I want this club to be in as strong a position as it can.
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Post by summerwell on Jun 29, 2022 6:37:03 GMT 1
I can readily agree with most of that but I also understand why people who feel they are being taken for mugs are unwilling to continue any longer. If you feel your money is not so much supporting the club as funding someone's lifestyle , then such a decision is perfectly reasonable.
As for Scally's out-take, especially when you consider that his family members are also on the 'payroll', I don't believe it is proportionate. I did a survey ( using published clubs' accounts ) of the nearest league clubs to me , including Peterborough, Colchester, Ipswich, Cambridge, Lincoln, Northampton, Norwich, Southend, MK Dons and Scally's 'consultancy' was twice as high as the next nearest Chairman's remuneration. At some clubs the Chairman did not take anything and others actually put money in.
Of course Scally is legally entitled to take whatever he likes, assuming we're not trading insolvently as a result, it's whether it is reasonable, justifiable and in the club's broader interests.
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Post by swansgills888 on Jun 29, 2022 8:50:52 GMT 1
There are some fans who just don't understand where this ship is sailing. The litany of lies and false promises over the years must be wearing thin with most supporters by now. What surprises me at the club, as soon there is rumblings of discontent at the club with the supporters calling "Scally Out" he uses the threat of the lawyers. As soon as players are making noises like Dempsey and Cummings, they are quickly moved on. I remember Scally saying at the end of this season that Denpsey had to go during the January transfer window in the interest of the club. Actually Dempsey was frustrated that Evans was not supported in his quest to bring in extra quality to help with the fight for survival. Remember, we had a wafer thin depleted squad that needed replenishing. Evans always said to the chairman and the fans, as long as he was in charge of the club. We would not get relegated under his guidance. We saw how he kept Stevenage up comfortably. I still believe that if he was allowed to bring in fresh faces then we would have stayed up and Lovell bringing Kelman back killed us. We would have survived the drop if Evans just got his way to see out the season. Scally decided otherwise and we ended up going down with a late rushed appointment, exacerbated with Lovell's being thrown into the lions den and making the problem worst by only bringing back Kelman who Evans sent back to QPR. Those crucial few weeks with Love's in charge indicate clearly to us, that Harris was not in the running for the job at the time. Scally was too busy trying to tempt the Bromley manager to the club that failed miserably. Then Flynn was approached but he already knew what was happening at the club and his disliking for Scally was the ultimate factor for turning us down. Remember Evans was approached by Stevenage Boro back in October 2021 ? Our chairman told Evans that an approach was made by them, he turned down that request from the Hertfordshire club and messaged Evans to let him know instead of telling in one to one. Scally sacks him weeks later, when he should have let him chat with Stevenage and arrange a compensation package if he wanted to talk with them for his services. It also calls into question the chairman saying Evans changed during the summer of 2021. Any competent and logical thinking supporter knows that if you appoint a new manager. Timing is everything. Bringing in NH with only 6 hours of the transfer window is very bad timing and a clear sign of ineptitude from the BS chairman. Scally was at the heart of the failing of our club and the events that led to our relegation should remain firmly at his door. I will be attending some away matches but the thought of giving money to supplement his ego is stomach churning. When is the next plane fly-over this coming campaign I would happily pay towards that.
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Post by mancunianinmedway on Jun 29, 2022 9:43:00 GMT 1
Evans wasted his budget offering huge wages to the likes of Akinde (186k a year).
Apparently even Ehmer and Tutonda are on sizeable wages of around 2k a week, good money for defenders who were released from a club that had been relegated the season before.
Evans got us relegated, not Lovell, not Kelman, Evans.
He wasted his budget on a squad of injury prone players, and then bullied the rest of them until the completely stopped playing for him.
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Post by hessisgod on Jun 29, 2022 10:32:05 GMT 1
Let’s be clear about a few things.
1) Evans signed Kelman. I quote On capturing his signature, manager Steve Evans said: “Charlie is an exciting talent who has a big future at QPR. Mark Warburton and Les Ferdinand are big fans of the boy and I must thank them for sanctioning the loan. I tried to get the lad in July but I was turned down but, like the mountie, I got my man. Our supporters will love this lad, he will be great for us."
2) Dempsey was sold after agitating for a move. We got great money for him and replaced him with the superior Thompson.
3) Cummings was recalled by Chelsea.
4) When Evans was sacked, we were in the relegation places. We were 22nd, hadn’t won in 13 games and had lost 6 out of the last 7.
5) You can’t say Harris was a rushed appointment then complain that other managers had been considered. Actually, I agree that Harris came in too late and that Evans should have shipped out to Stevenage earlier.
6) Evans was fine for 2 seasons and an absolute disaster in his final year. The blame for relegation lies mainly at his door, though scally should have sacked him earlier.
7) I will keep saying it, but you can’t not put money into the club then complain we don’t have enough of it.
8) let’s look at what Evans said when he signed Akinde for daft money. On capturing his man, Evans said: “ Give only credit to my Chairman Paul Scally and the big fella himself. My Boss has been terrier like, but outstanding, and got a player I wanted back in the summer, but he is here now. In fairness to John he has showed a real desire to play for me again and as a manager that is very humbling. His goals record needs no introduction, he makes us stronger as a group and he knows how hard he must work for the team.”
9) Remember who else Evans adding to the striking dept. Remember Tom Dickson-Peters. Oh dear
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Post by swansgills888 on Jun 29, 2022 12:44:39 GMT 1
The Scally, Evans, Lovell and NH saga eventually got us relegated.
With so much upheavel going on in the background. It would have been difficult to get real focus into the wafer thin squad of players.
Kelman was sent back by Evans to QPR for reasons fully justified. He was not up to the required standard even though he showed a few glimpses of his potential.
Scally said Dempsey left us not just because Bolton are a bigger club than us, but our chairman said certain people had to go because the atmosphere in the dressing was tense.
Bring in Paul MacCullum from Dagenham and Redbridge to play with Kashket. Surely, the budget can accommodate him.
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Post by stevolution on Jun 29, 2022 13:36:13 GMT 1
The Scally, Evans, Lovell and NH saga eventually got us relegated. With so much upheavel going on in the background. It would have been difficult to get real focus into the wafer thin squad of players. Kelman was sent back by Evans to QPR for reasons fully justified. He was not up to the required standard even though he showed a few glimpses of his potential. Scally said Dempsey left us not just because Bolton are a bigger club than us, but our chairman said certain people had to go because the atmosphere in the dressing was tense. Bring in Paul MacCullum from Dagenham and Redbridge to play with Kashket. Surely, the budget can accommodate him. You don't watch the games, so let me help you out here: 1 - dempsey went because his heart wasn't in it. He was trying, but that extra yard, that extra few % that makes the better players good clearly wasn't there. 2 - kelman went because he and Evans fell out. And they feel out because Evans was a tw@t to him during a game. Like he often is. I was sat behind him when he went mental at Alex jakubiak 30 seconds into a game. Completely unjustified. There's no way I would have played for him.
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