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Post by summerwell on May 7, 2024 18:20:50 GMT 1
OK , give me the precise figures for our top 3 signings last year. That's to say any signing on fees, transfer fees , agents fees and salaries, because I suspect you are simply guessing.
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Post by stevolution on May 7, 2024 19:10:54 GMT 1
A narrative has sprung up around the squad built, because the manager wildly underperformed with them. It's simply untrue You missed an "s" off managers |
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Post by hessisgod on May 7, 2024 19:13:45 GMT 1
OK , give me the precise figures for our top 3 signings last year. That's to say any signing on fees, transfer fees , agents fees and salaries, because I suspect you are simply guessing. Can only go on reports but Hutton was reported to be £200k. We know for a fact that we outbid Bradford for Williams. We know for a fact that we paid more for Lapslie and Hawkins than Mansfield could afford. We know for a fact that Nichols was £60k and Crawley couldn’t afford to keep him on the money we offered. One of the players at the club told me Bonne was on 7k a week, might be right, might not be. Let’s face it, it’s an expensively assembled squad with a higher budget than others who have been successful. |
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Post by hessisgod on May 7, 2024 19:14:03 GMT 1
A narrative has sprung up around the squad built, because the manager wildly underperformed with them. It's simply untrue You missed an "s" off managers No, I didn’t. Only one was unsuccessful |
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Post by stevolution on May 7, 2024 20:17:10 GMT 1
You missed an "s" off managers No, I didn’t. Only one was unsuccessful Harris failed, he was outside the playoffs, the underlying numbers were alarming and he ended up getting sacked. He had Adelekun last season and couldn't get a run out of him. Look at him now |
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Post by hessisgod on May 8, 2024 6:59:58 GMT 1
No, I didn’t. Only one was unsuccessful Harris failed, he was outside the playoffs, the underlying numbers were alarming and he ended up getting sacked. He had Adelekun last season and couldn't get a run out of him. Look at him now Yeah, 1.77 PPG was absolutely alarming. |
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Post by summerwell on May 8, 2024 7:23:58 GMT 1
OK , give me the precise figures for our top 3 signings last year. That's to say any signing on fees, transfer fees , agents fees and salaries, because I suspect you are simply guessing. Can only go on reports but Hutton was reported to be £200k. We know for a fact that we outbid Bradford for Williams. We know for a fact that we paid more for Lapslie and Hawkins than Mansfield could afford. We know for a fact that Nichols was £60k and Crawley couldn’t afford to keep him on the money we offered. One of the players at the club told me Bonne was on 7k a week, might be right, might not be. Let’s face it, it’s an expensively assembled squad with a higher budget than others who have been successful. OK, so you don't know. Even if I accept the 'reports' as fact ( which I don't), all that means is that in addition to getting an ill-fitting squad, we got poor value for money. For example, Lapslie and Hawkins were not unaffordable at Mansfield they were surplus to requirements. |
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Post by stevolution on May 8, 2024 8:22:55 GMT 1
Harris failed, he was outside the playoffs, the underlying numbers were alarming and he ended up getting sacked. He had Adelekun last season and couldn't get a run out of him. Look at him now Yeah, 1.77 PPG was absolutely alarming. They are not underlying numbers. But at the time, those numbers saw us getting as many promotions as Clemence |
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Post by hessisgod on May 8, 2024 9:12:21 GMT 1
Can only go on reports but Hutton was reported to be £200k. We know for a fact that we outbid Bradford for Williams. We know for a fact that we paid more for Lapslie and Hawkins than Mansfield could afford. We know for a fact that Nichols was £60k and Crawley couldn’t afford to keep him on the money we offered. One of the players at the club told me Bonne was on 7k a week, might be right, might not be. Let’s face it, it’s an expensively assembled squad with a higher budget than others who have been successful. OK, so you don't know. Even if I accept the 'reports' as fact ( which I don't), all that means is that in addition to getting an ill-fitting squad, we got poor value for money. For example, Lapslie and Hawkins were not unaffordable at Mansfield they were surplus to requirements. Wrong- they were offered deals to stay but we blew them out of the water and we paid £100k according to Clough. |
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Post by summerwell on May 8, 2024 11:09:31 GMT 1
According to the local rag 'a combined deal that COULD net ' etc etc. So we didn't pay £100k, we did a deal.
As I said surplus to requirements and we got stiffed. If you want to stand these two up as evidence of the strength of our squad I seriously question your judgement. Lapslie disappointing and inconsistent, Hawkins slow, ungainly, fragile and simply useless with the ball on the deck.
I really do hope for better under our new manager.
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Post by hessisgod on May 8, 2024 14:23:02 GMT 1
I gather you didn’t bother reading it. It was £100k if we stayed up. We did. The fact Mansfield offered both deals shows they wanted to keep both players. You’re effectively arguing that Nigel Clough is a bad judge of player….
You need to remember that because these players haven’t performed for us under Clemence doesn’t make them bad players. It makes them badly managed. The point I was making was that we’ve invested heavily in the squad and it is an experienced squad with many players in the prime of their career.
Your original argument was we’ve hoovered up out of contact (you were wrong) unproven (wrong again) unwanted (wrong). That hasn’t been the case.
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Post by summerwell on May 8, 2024 16:36:44 GMT 1
My description of the squad is accurate in every respect - I suggest you cast your net a little wider. What's more if you think Hawkins is/was good value you have been reading the Burton media when you should have been watching the Gills.
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Post by hessisgod on May 8, 2024 16:49:50 GMT 1
I didn’t say he was good value.
I’ve made the point (correctly) that these aren’t cheap signings who have been successful at other clubs. The fact our manager wasn’t able to get the best out of them doesn’t mean anything.
You said they were out of contract freebies nobody wanted- that’s incorrect so stop wiggling when you’re spouting nonsense.
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Post by mooonlightgraham on May 8, 2024 17:10:18 GMT 1
I think the problem is you have got a squad at GFC that don't see to give a damn,unless it is a big game or on TV and the big mistake was bringing in a nice guy like Clemence when we needed a straight shooter like old Brian Clough ,someone who was not scared to tell you exactly what he thought of you in his office after a game, and if you didn't like what he told you ,he didn't give a damn,because it was the truth, not sugar coated . Now I know times have changed after all you can't have a Division called the Fourth Division, that makes the players feel that there not good enough to be REAL PLAYERS ,so were going to call it the SECOND DIVISION,and that will make them feel so much better, than if we had say The Premier,FIRST,SECOND and THIRD. I have a feeling that nowadays the inmates are running the asylum.
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