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Post by gillinghamfc on Sept 19, 2010 13:01:29 GMT 1
Loads of fans criticising hessenthaler after being in praise of his return. keep it up and perhaps he will resign ;D
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Post by bigjon on Sept 19, 2010 14:10:39 GMT 1
Hope so.
All the saddo's worship the ground he walks on and wont have a word against him though. He could put cronin in as a striker, scally as centre-back and southall in goal and these morons would still worship him believing him to be in some way exempt from any negative attention whatsoever.
Hessenthaler isnt up for the job, I said he was a cheap option and an appointment scally made to appease fans. I said hessenthaler would be shite and I have seen nothing to change my mind over this.
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Post by nickthehoover on Sept 19, 2010 15:52:06 GMT 1
Hope so. All the saddo's worship the ground he walks on and wont have a word against him though. He could put cronin in as a striker, scally as centre-back and southall in goal and these morons would still worship him believing him to be in some way exempt from any negative attention whatsoever. Hessenthaler isnt up for the job, I said he was a cheap option and an appointment scally made to appease fans. I said hessenthaler would be shite and I have seen nothing to change my mind over this. So on what you have seen of Hessenthaler since May, why do think he is not the right man for the job? I was sceptical about his return but I felt he had a very good pre season and strengthened in the right areas, and he has been unlucky with injuries and it has taken a while for him to bed his ideas down. I'm just intrigued as to your logic bigjon when you say that Hessenthaler should leave his position as Gillingham manager now. |
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Post by bigjon on Sept 19, 2010 16:15:33 GMT 1
Because he is shite, thats why.
He inherited peter taylors squad and took a couple of players taylor had already lined up.
Gradually as the squad dispanded things got worse and worse and he didnt have a clue what to do about it.
If he was any good he wouldnt have been managing non-league dross for the last few years, someone would have came in for him by now.
He got the job here because scally is his mate and because vast numbers of Gillingham fans have the brain capacity of a goldfish and love hess so much they wouldnt have a word against him, ever.
His tactics, selections and formations have been baffling, he hasnt strenghtened in goal or upfront, infact in goal we are far worse off.
He has shown to be a clown when it comes to man management also.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 16:51:02 GMT 1
Welcome back to the forum bigjon. Noticed you didn't post after the win last week and you're back on here with a negative post with your usual comments that things are "shite". Sad you couldn't think of anything new to write in your week or so away
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Post by superblues on Sept 19, 2010 16:54:02 GMT 1
I agree with you about the last time Hess was manager and inheriting a Pulis/Taylor squad and the fact that when the squad got older Hess was a little bit naive in building a new team. However, we don't know the full story on transfers and money available. I didn't think we'd walk away with this league and I predicted play-offs as anyone can see how tight the budget is. Cronin,Payne,White,Sinclair have all come in for very little money,Spiller and Lawrence on a bit more money and Akinfenwa on a bit more than that(I'm guessing). Miller,Lewis,Pugh,Cumbers etc.. have left and the high earning Jackson has been sold. We are paying high wages for McCammon,Maher and Jackman who Hess might have chosen to do without and the high earning King is unfit. Money talks I'm afraid and we aint got none!! One of Hess's transfer targets, Dennehy, chose Barnet over us!! It may have been his relationship with Stimson but I'm guessing its down to wages. Lets just hope Hess continues learning as a manager and the team pull through this difficult period and climb the table, add some confidence and play decent football. I hope this is what Gillingham fans want but sometimes I'm not so sure....Up The Gills
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Post by nickthehoover on Sept 19, 2010 18:20:25 GMT 1
Because he is shite, thats why. He inherited peter taylors squad and took a couple of players taylor had already lined up. Gradually as the squad dispanded things got worse and worse and he didnt have a clue what to do about it. If he was any good he wouldnt have been managing non-league dross for the last few years, someone would have came in for him by now. He got the job here because scally is his mate and because vast numbers of Gillingham fans have the brain capacity of a goldfish and love hess so much they wouldnt have a word against him, ever. His tactics, selections and formations have been baffling, he hasnt strenghtened in goal or upfront, infact in goal we are far worse off. He has shown to be a clown when it comes to man management also. I actually asked what he had done SINCE MAY which lead yourself to believe that Hessenthaler should lose his job now. I dont care what he did at Gillingham first time or at Dover, if you want Hessenthaler to be sacked then it has to be backed up with tangible reasons. Have another go....... |
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Post by bigjon on Sept 19, 2010 20:53:23 GMT 1
What has Hess done since may thats wrong?
Instead of clearing the decks we have shitee like Maher at the club, theres a start, he should have got well-rid of a few within our squad.
He failed to secure the services of dennehey.
He failed to strengthen in the GK department after losing the great Simon Royce.
We dont even have a goalkeeping coach.
He publicly slaughters and undermines cronins confidence.
He makes poor team selections, picking names over a system that works, playing people out of position.
He seems to play ridiculously negative football at times.
He has an excuse book as long as my arm
Banging on about bad luck all the time, it isnt luck, its called being shite.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2010 21:17:55 GMT 1
So he should have got rid of maher. How exactly? He's under contract till the end of the season as is mccamnon. You can't just get rid of players under contract when no-one else wants them in case you've not noticed.
He has limited money to improve the goalkeeping dept. If julian hadn't broken a hand, Cronin would have had further time to develop before challenging for the first team in the same way Julian had whilst working with Royce.
You have no idea if Hess or scally is at fault for us not having a keeping coach.
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Post by johnknee on Sept 19, 2010 22:23:17 GMT 1
What has Hess done since may thats wrong? Instead of clearing the decks we have shitee like Maher at the club, theres a start, he should have got well-rid of a few within our squad. As Hess is god has pointed out, he was under contract and I doubt Scally would have been prepared to have paid off the contracts of the likes of Maher and McCammon like he did with Stimson's culling of Slo mas, and Armstrong and etc... Or maybe Hess sees a use for them, at least at the time. Maher put in a really good performance away to Hereford but was the fall guy for a dire team performance against Lincoln. McCammon seemingly did well next to Akinfenwa away to Bury... He failed to secure the services of dennehey. Or maybe Dennehy had a preference to follow Stimson who he worked with and knew, rather than Hess. He failed to strengthen in the GK department after losing the great Simon Royce. The great Simon Royce  He had a great first season for us, but even in the promotion season we saw small mistakes starting to creep into is game. There was nothing great about him.... He publicly slaughters and undermines cronins confidence. I wouldn't say "slaughter" exactly.... although his words were maybe unwise. He makes poor team selections, picking names over a system that works, playing people out of position. Agreed. He seems to play ridiculously negative football at times. Agreed. |
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Post by Greyfox on Sept 23, 2010 13:17:24 GMT 1
Because he is shite, thats why. He inherited peter taylors squad and took a couple of players taylor had already lined up. Gradually as the squad dispanded things got worse and worse and he didnt have a clue what to do about it. If he was any good he wouldnt have been managing non-league dross for the last few years, someone would have came in for him by now. He got the job here because scally is his mate and because vast numbers of Gillingham fans have the brain capacity of a goldfish and love hess so much they wouldnt have a word against him, ever. His tactics, selections and formations have been baffling, he hasnt strenghtened in goal or upfront, infact in goal we are far worse off. He has shown to be a clown when it comes to man management also. I think you must have been watching a completely different Gillingham FC to me in the last 10 years. Or you're so used to watching the present rubbish in the last 3 seasons you have forgotten just how good the team was under Hess in Div 1 / Championship. I have mentioned this before, but many of the team at that time are now playing or squad players in the premiership, Javis, Brown, Sidibe, ( Nosworthy, up to this season ), Henderson, King, and many other fine players who played at that time.. Hess had a wonderful record the first time round, and I for one watched the best standard of football ever seen at Gillingham FC for 100 years and I've watching them for over 50 years. Yes, Hess did fall on his sword after a poor run, but I doubt he was given a large budget to progress. In stead he should have been made assistant to Stan Ternent at that time. Stan nearly kept us in that Division. But even with money to spend, Stan failed, with 3 draws in the last 3 games we went down, even though with one more point we would have been safe. Hardly Hess's fault.The decline started then, after Hess had already left and been gone 7 months. The Club has over the last few seasons gone down hill since. Ending with the end of last season with Stimson and his merry bunch of non league triers. Hopefully with Hess in charge things will gradually start to in prove, if not he will have to leave or be sacked and we will try somebody else, but for goodness sake give him a chance, he has started from the very bottom in my opinion. As for running down Hess's time at Dover, I feel you haven't got a clue about football management. There are hundreds of managers out of work and would be proud to manage Dover. Hess's record there was second to none and that's one of the reasons that Scally thought he was worth another go in the hot seat. |
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Post by jaggysnake on Sept 23, 2010 15:42:15 GMT 1
The decline started then, after Hess had already left and been gone 7 months. You make some fair points there... Apart from this one and the Dover one. This one is nonsense. You don't think that a team that was mid-table in January 2004, stayed up by a goal in four months later and was then already looking destined for the drop in November the next season was in decline? I can only assume you weren't at Crewe in Hessenthaler's final match - Crewe fans were already chanting that we were going down - and on our performance it was impossible to argue with them. Ternent did ultimately fail, but he got us into a position to throw safety away as we did thanks to some astute signings that Hessenthaler would never have made in a million years and getting the best out of Henderson - you seem to have conveniently forgotten when you refer to him earlier in your post that he was complete and utter crap under Hessenthaler. As for the Dover comment, I made this one the other day. Dover were two divisions - at least - below where they should have been when Hessenthaler took over. A club of their size and stature in the non-league pyramid should be knocking on the door of the Conference. He took over with them in the Ryman First Division, playing the might of Whitstable Town et al. And then look at the squad he had - if he hadn't got them up with that sort of squad and resources, it would have been laughable. Getting them back to the level where they should be is not a huge achievement. And then, given the squad he still had last season (adding Southall to the mix), he failed to get out of the Conference South. His record at Dover has feck all with Scally bringing him back. Scally brought him back purely on sentiment. The only good thing that will come out of this is that when he's finished making a dog's dinner of our promotion hopes and sentenced us to years more of League Two wilderness, there won't ever be the clamour that there was to appoint him the last two times the job has come up. |
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Post by The Cat Man on Sept 23, 2010 16:38:37 GMT 1
I like Andy Hessenthaler, he`s a good man, surprisingly witty with a number one one liners. He was a great player for this club and has a legendary status with many of the fans . Not only did he die on the pitch week in week out, he was a very good passer of the ball.
His first stint as Manager was a success, there will be people who knock him for inheriting players - Hess kept us up, Hess made them a team capable of competing in the Championship. He probably did run out of ideas , pretty much as the club was running out of money- no money as we know makes it difficult to compete, and not even Stan could keep us up.
The club has quite quickly fallen into Div 2, I hate this friggin division, the drive home from Bradford was bloody awful. The club is struggling financially and we have no right to be in Div 1.
To Hess , I think Scally, who I am no fan off but not a hater gave himself a years grace by the appointment Legendary status means he will not be ridiculed in the press and his name will be sung at every game. Cant be Andy`s fault he`s a legend. Cute decision by Scally, unfortunately what was supposed to be years grace with the Gills fighting for promotion is falling on difficult ground. We need to start winning and winning now. I for one would not have employed Hess , I wish we had Peter Taylor or the likes - we do don`t so deal with it.
So in a world where we have no money a manager who just might get us into the playoffs , there are a few things we need.
1. a new goalkeeper - a good and experienced one - I `d love to have Roycey back as he was when he was player of the season.
2. The crowd to stick behind Hess home and away.
3. Strikers to score and everyone to defend like Lawrence when called upon
4. A bit of bloody luck - even the best need it
5. a win against Burton
The Cat Man.
..I hate this friggin league , drink your hearts out for the lads.
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Post by Greyfox on Sept 23, 2010 16:40:33 GMT 1
The decline started then, after Hess had already left and been gone 7 months. You make some fair points there... Apart from this one and the Dover one. This one is nonsense. You don't think that a team that was mid-table in January 2004, stayed up by a goal in four months later and was then already looking destined for the drop in November the next season was in decline? I can only assume you weren't at Crewe in Hessenthaler's final match - Crewe fans were already chanting that we were going down - and on our performance it was impossible to argue with them. Ternent did ultimately fail, but he got us into a position to throw safety away as we did thanks to some astute signings that Hessenthaler would never have made in a million years and getting the best out of Henderson - you seem to have conveniently forgotten when you refer to him earlier in your post that he was complete and utter crap under Hessenthaler. As for the Dover comment, I made this one the other day. Dover were two divisions - at least - below where they should have been when Hessenthaler took over. A club of their size and stature in the non-league pyramid should be knocking on the door of the Conference. He took over with them in the Ryman First Division, playing the might of Whitstable Town et al. And then look at the squad he had - if he hadn't got them up with that sort of squad and resources, it would have been laughable. Getting them back to the level where they should be is not a huge achievement. And then, given the squad he still had last season (adding Southall to the mix), he failed to get out of the Conference South. His record at Dover has feck all with Scally bringing him back. Scally brought him back purely on sentiment. The only good thing that will come out of this is that when he's finished making a dog's dinner of our promotion hopes and sentenced us to years more of League Two wilderness, there won't ever be the clamour that there was to appoint him the last two times the job has come up. The main point is that the Championship/Div 1 at that time was getting stronger and stronger with big teams falling out of the premiership, Leeds, West Ham, Sheffield clubs and so called lesser teams being promoted. i.e Wigan, Portsmouth etc. Hess was not given anywhere near the resources to compete and we were never going to survive at that level much longer. Although I don't remember too many supporters moaning about our position when we beat Charlton in the Cup 3-2. What I do remember however is the game against Queens Park Rangers when their player punched the ball in the net and we lost 1-0 at home. I don't think the luck was going with Hess then and it started to go wrong for him from that point on. The playing staff at the time of relegation was still a really strong squad and manager, but most decided to leave ( including Stan ) or we couldn't afford to keep them. I do remember Henderson being on the injury list and struggling with fitness, maybe that's why he looked a bit jaded under Hess's management. None of the above were hardly Hess's fault. If Scally did bring back Hess because of personal reasons. good for him, I can't see any other buyers queuing up out side Priestfield to put their millions in. At least he believes Hess can turn the clubs fortunes round. Scally gets enough abuse from the supporters, so maybe he thinks at least I've got a manager I can talk to. As for your comment about Dover. On your assumption, Man City will walk away with the league this year. Football doesn't always work out like that. I still maintain to get promoted as champions from any league takes a good team but also a good manager. |
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Post by dickwroe on Sept 23, 2010 17:13:17 GMT 1
trouble with people like him - is that you just turn to spock and say "make it so" - and you get rid of players just like that
to be honest- he knows so little about the workings of a football club- it aint worth the bother discussing it with him
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He had a great first season for us, but even in the promotion season we saw small mistakes starting to creep into is game. There was nothing great about him....
