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Post by terryjolleysboot on Jan 16, 2016 18:11:30 GMT 1
I would have taken a draw against a free scoring Donny team at the start of the day but yet again I feel gutted! Please JE bring a experienced defenderin to bolster our defence and moral on the pitch! To keep throwing 2 goal leads away is unforgiveable,shades of Keegans Newcastle come to mind,JE is a ex defender so surely he must know how to close out a game! Repeat "Gutted"! What pees me off more is that diving and cheating Burton can hold on to a lead,all about game management and JE is not up to it when it counts !
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Post by mark8364 on Jan 16, 2016 18:17:42 GMT 1
2 up and in control...Doncaster's first shot on target was the 75th minute! Don't take off a defensive midfielder and bring on a winger! I am a massive Justin Edinburgh fan, but that was asking for trouble!
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Post by sunnyboy on Jan 16, 2016 18:35:35 GMT 1
Massive disappointment as The Gills piss away another 2 goal lead. This rests with the manager and JE has to sort it. That's one point from 6 when we should have had them all. I hope one day we will not be the team known for surrendering victory in the last few minutes when looking comfortable. COYG....finish these out!
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Post by muppet on Jan 16, 2016 18:45:47 GMT 1
Not at the game today so would like to hear first hand, but have to agree with the above and on the face of it 5 points dropped. Last week I watched and was astounded when under pressure we went more attacking and appears same happened again today. Can't blame the defense if as Wigan, Donny dropped defenders for more attacking players late on as most if not all losing teams do. This is not the first/second time this has happened this season so we must learn from this finally. Mcglashen for a defensive midfielder won't work and instead we need to drop a forward and bring on players like loft, osadebe or Morris and close games out. We are playing well and from what I have seen so far easily a top 6 side and if we change our away strategy when winning we can make the play offs at the very least, we have nothing to fear from opposition teams anymore.
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Post by swansgills888 on Jan 16, 2016 18:47:48 GMT 1
looks like the manager has cost us victory, bringing on macglashan is asking for trouble.
i thought we learned from last week.
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Post by waldogills on Jan 16, 2016 19:19:41 GMT 1
I just love all the knee jerk reactions on this board and others. We give away last minute goals. In the past people moaned this was because we went too defensive and tried to see games out too early. Now people are moaning that we are being too attack minded and not shutting up shop ! Some complained when we brought Loft on at Wigan. Today others are moaning that we brought him on too late. Apparently now it's all Mcglashan's fault that we dropped two points.
The reality is that we play a high pressing game that leads us to scoring lots of goals. However, against some of the better footballing teams it is difficult to sustain this for 90 minutes and we tire. From the commentary it is clear that the whole midfield was tiring and it was a toss up who would be subbed. Given the amount of running that he did it wouldn't be a surprise if Wright was the most knackered and the most likely candidate to be subbed.
I remember going to a game at Reading when Pulis was manager. It was the most sterile nil nil draw imaginable. End result, we got a point. Exactly the same as today. I know which style I prefer. All power to JED's elbow. There will be other occasions away from home when we'll lead and see it out.
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Post by swansgills888 on Jan 16, 2016 19:48:45 GMT 1
this is not knee jerk reaction, the manager knows football is played over 90 mins and we have to learn very quickly how to manage leads like today when we are 2-0 up, this is happening too often for comfort and where the manager really needs to set the team up in a way to be difficult to breakdown,
bringing on macglashan with 15 mins to go has to be questionable decision by jed, when in all honesty we needed somebody to sure up the midfield and not a impact sub who is better coming on when we are chasing a game.
i don't want this turning into a mini crisis so we definitely need to sure up at the back and a clean sheet will be the order of the day versus peterborough.
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Post by waldogills on Jan 16, 2016 20:09:53 GMT 1
Even if you just take the last 5 away games, we've scored 12 goals and conceded 10. If we set up not to concede, would we have scored 12 ? It's all about balance. If we could continue to score as many as we do and concede as few as Burton we'd be running away with the league. Unfortunately football isn't that simple. I'd rather carry on the way we are. Accept that we might have games like the last two and actually enjoy all the goals we're scoring.
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 16, 2016 21:02:26 GMT 1
I would like to say well done to the team.We have only lost a handful of games a!l season scoring goals from all areas of the pitch.We have had a really tough run of games starting with Millwall before Christmas.While I wasn't there I know the side gave everything.Doing that in every game gives us a chance. Having a young team means they will have blips in form.But it also means we will give everything in every single match.We give every team we play a tough game. Yes I am sure Justin will take the blame for the odd poor result.But today wasn't a poor result a point at Donny at the moment is a point won.Sure the team has to learn to see out tough games.But that come with the experience of losing a few. This team has come a long way this last year.If we don't make it this year it will not be for want of trying.Give the lads a break they have been fantastic. It could be we need a new face or two and I am sure that is in hand. But he or they have to be right.One bad Apple could damage the team spirit. Justin has done a great job in putting things together anyone who is set on trying to damage what has been achieved in the last year needs a serious reality check.
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Post by muppet on Jan 16, 2016 21:11:12 GMT 1
It's not knee jerk as its happened on a few occasions. Agree nothing wrong with the set up from the start and as you say tired players due to a great deal of hard work being done to get themselves into a fantastic position at 2-0. However, that's doesnt mean you have to play the same for an entire match and as with everything in life you need to adapt to changes. Whilst not there, from the reports I have read it seems we were pretty much in control until the last 15/20 minutes, when as a losing manager I would have changed my team as they did to try and get something from the game. It is then up to the opposing manager to try and cope with those changes and it seems that is not what we are good with ATM. When under pressure as we were towards the end then mcglashen is the last person on this planet I would rely upon as a defender or player to help you hold a lead. I guess some would argue attack is the best form of defence, but we haven't been good at that (Walsall, Wigan and today) and we should be trying to stay in control by defending for a change. At 2-0, we need to look at putting defensive minded players on the pitch as most other teams do and have always done. Whilst I dont usually agree with 888, got to say I agree with a reasonable amount of what he is saying this time.
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 16, 2016 21:43:45 GMT 1
It has to be said that this transfer window could also be affecting things.IE Justin hasn't seen that much of McGlashan and has gone on record I believe in saying the striker he is looking at can play a few roles.Now I have no idea who he is but if he is a wide striker.It would only be fair to give Jermaine a chance to prove he has a major part to play before he signs anyone.
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Post by iblue on Jan 16, 2016 22:00:44 GMT 1
Jermaine has had 750+ minutes (around 12 hours) on the pitch involving sixteen games this season - unfortunately has failed to make much of his chances and also failed to score - cannot remember if he has assisted in goals - perhaps.
As a sub for a tiring midfield today he should be the last person in the Gills squad to be used by the manager - I would love to hear Edinburgh's explanation as to why, with 15 minutes left and Gills under attack pressure, he selected 'Flash the Glash' to make an impact and change the course of the game.
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Post by swanleygill on Jan 16, 2016 22:27:25 GMT 1
I can see why he would bring MnGlashan on, well, a speedy winger, its a great counter attacking tool against an also tiring team IF the person you are bringing on is any good, for me Miles Weston and Andy Barcham were better than McGlashan, all i ever see him do is run the ball out of play, run in to people or pass to the opposition that is why he is useless, so, knowing that, we should be bringing on defensive midfielders instead, As muppet says, on this occasion, i shamefully agree with what most of 888 has said.
Yes we are a young team, yes we are in a AMAZING position, but so are Leicester in the PL, my point is, would i have taken this at the start of the year..... YES, of course, but IF we do crumble away in the remaining months, that will be hard to take. As it stands now, we are where we are on effort and merit and that's 3 times now we have squandered a 2-0 lead and 2 in a row, that can't keep happening.
Lets hope next game we can kick on and get back to winning ways and if we go 2-0 up please please please please JE, DO NOT bring McGlashan on, i beg you.
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Post by gillspb on Jan 16, 2016 23:39:30 GMT 1
I can see why he would bring MnGlashan on, well, a speedy winger, its a great counter attacking tool against an also tiring team IF the person you are bringing on is any good, for me Miles Weston and Andy Barcham were better than McGlashan, all i ever see him do is run the ball out of play, run in to people or pass to the opposition that is why he is useless, so, knowing that, we should be bringing on defensive midfielders instead, As muppet says, on this occasion, i shamefully agree with what most of 888 has said. Yes we are a young team, yes we are in a AMAZING position, but so are Leicester in the PL, my point is, would i have taken this at the start of the year..... YES, of course, but IF we do crumble away in the remaining months, that will be hard to take. As it stands now, we are where we are on effort and merit and that's 3 times now we have squandered a 2-0 lead and 2 in a row, that can't keep happening. Lets hope next game we can kick on and get back to winning ways and if we go 2-0 up please please please please JE, DO NOT bring McGlashan on, i beg you. Swanleygills you say Mcglashan is useless but perhaps you missed the game against Coventry at home last season when Jermaine came on after 70 minutes when we were losing 1-0. He made a big impact when he won a penalty and also scored a goal which helped us to a 3-1 victory. I would also say it is very debatable whether Myles Weston or Andy Barcham were better than him.It`s certainly not his fault that we lost the game at Wigan and Doncaster got a draw today. The goals that were scored after he came on were down to errors by other players and some dubious referee decisions.I would agree with you that perhaps at 2-0 up it would be more sensible to bring on a defensive midfielder to shore things up but since there was not one on the bench,though perhaps Morris could have moved back to the holding defensive midfielder position and Loft or Osadebe could have come on in the middle instead, but I would imagine JE thought Mcglashan`s pace would provide an outlet to take the pressure off. I for one am more than happy to see him come on if we are 2-0 up and considering the fantastic job JE has done since he has been manager I trust his judgment.
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 16, 2016 23:54:09 GMT 1
Jermaine has had 750+ minutes (around 12 hours) on the pitch involving sixteen games this season - unfortunately has failed to make much of his chances and also failed to score - cannot remember if he has assisted in goals - perhaps. As a sub for a tiring midfield today he should be the last person in the Gills squad to be used by the manager - I would love to hear Edinburgh's explanation as to why, with 15 minutes left and Gills under attack pressure, he selected 'Flash the Glash' to make an impact and change the course of the game. I do understand the comment about McGlashan but I would still argue that it is clear that if we are about to bring in a new forward it is in our interest to try to get someone we need. For team spirit it is also important that everyone feels valued. Jermaine has got something to offer. I would take odds with the Miles Weston comment. Jermaine is miles better if you pardon the pun. He has a a problem fitting in to the current team in the same way as I believe Cody has. I can't judge as to why he was used today. But I do fully trust the managers judgement. Again I find it hard to believe so many people are questioning his judgement. To simply attack a set up that has done so well for is I find unbelievable. We have a limited transfer budget. Managers and fans prefer if we get our own players and not loans. To put it simply if the manager had not have given Mcglashan a chance then brought in someone to play a wide attack role which is possible. Everyone would complain we had not given him a fair chance. We really do no know all the facts as to why? But one fact is we are still well placed to challenge for promotion for that we have many people to thank including players and management. I am sure there will times Justin will blame himself this could be one. But frankly any player who is very much part of the squad but doesn't get a chance before he is replaced can wreck the spirit. Nelson proved Justin wrong. For me it is far from impossible that Jermaine can do the same weather it be at Gills or another club.
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