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Post by donut on Sept 22, 2020 16:18:16 GMT 1
Scally is right, though I have my reservations about him, unless the greedy Premier League step in and the government, all the clubs from League one down are in terrible financial danger. This has to be addressed NOW.
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Post by gills1970 on Sept 23, 2020 9:00:23 GMT 1
We were - correctly as it turned out - wary of the proposed 1 October reboot for clubs to allow supoprteers back into grounds for matches. Now that this has been 'postponed' it has to be wondered how much damage this is going to conitnue doing to the very fabric of the game. Will the lower leagues (even the Champinship) be able to survive. The FA/Premier league are never going to adequately support the lower levels of the pyramid financially.
Well, that's my good news for the day sorted...
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Post by hessisgod on Sept 23, 2020 9:16:16 GMT 1
Yeah, it's an absolute disaster and the Times is reporting this morning that it'll be March at the earliest before fans are allowed back. I really don't see how clubs outside of the Premier League will survive, unless the Premier League decide to spend some of their vast wealth helping lower league clubs, rather than funding excessive player wages. Aubameyang £375,000 a week? Bale £600,000 a week? Some of that has got to stop and money filtered down to clubs who need it to survive.
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Sept 23, 2020 10:08:49 GMT 1
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Post by muppet on Sept 23, 2020 10:08:49 GMT 1
Agree with all the above, but becoming concerned nothing will happen and they will let clubs go down the drain. Suspect premier clubs have no interest whatsoever, they are just wondering where to waste there next £30m. Can see L1&L2 being made up of a few existing clubs and then Man Utd 2, Arsenal 2 etc as per some overseas leagues. Then little or no chance of English youth getting a look in or any local footy.
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Post by ldb30 on Sept 23, 2020 11:35:02 GMT 1
The whole situation sounds awful, realistically half the EFL could go to the wall!, and lets face it, the premier clubs buy there players at times from feeder clubs like ours, meaning the quality of football could be seriously damaged at premier league level too?. Just awful news for football full stop. UTG's
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Post by muppet on Sept 23, 2020 14:48:12 GMT 1
Just read the latest EFL statement and as usual they are hopeful of financial support. They have been hopeful for 4/5 months now, seems to me they need to get realistic pretty quick!
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Post by mancunianinmedway on Sept 23, 2020 15:32:16 GMT 1
The Premier League clubs probably won't do a great deal, unless there is pressure on them and they are shamed I to it.
The FA probably doesn't have much money to give out.
The government could help, but I doubt there would be enough money available to prop up leagues 2, 1, and the Championship. Especially when they are looking at new furlough schemes and have already given companies tax holidays and stuff like that.
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Sept 23, 2020 18:35:37 GMT 1
Post by donut on Sept 23, 2020 18:35:37 GMT 1
Football isn't really any different from 'companies' this is a business we re told and it should be supported.
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Post by mancunianinmedway on Sept 23, 2020 20:29:17 GMT 1
Football isn't really any different from 'companies' this is a business we re told and it should be supported. And they have been. Football clubs have had access to the same loans, tax holidays and furlough scheme as everybody else.
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Sept 25, 2020 11:24:05 GMT 1
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Post by redverscrimper on Sept 25, 2020 11:24:05 GMT 1
My calculator seems to be reasonably accurate and it tells me that Gareth Bale currently has an annual pay packet around the £31 million mark. Clearly he and many other well paid premiership players have a lot of loose change swashing about that they could donate to clubs below them in the pyramid. I doubt they would even miss it. I’m not holding my breath though. Someone or some organisation has to bail out the clubs in dire straits. Worthing needed £40,000 to upgrade their ground and local fans raised it in two weeks through crowdfunding. That’s a heroic effort for an Isthmian league club but when you read that Dover who could soon go under have weekly running costs of £80,000 that puts the money required into a pretty unpalatable perspective. Any Gills supporting multi millionaire philanthropists out there? Looks like Wrexham have found a couple.
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Sept 25, 2020 20:21:31 GMT 1
Post by donut on Sept 25, 2020 20:21:31 GMT 1
Football isn't really any different from 'companies' this is a business we re told and it should be supported. And they have been. Football clubs have had access to the same loans, tax holidays and furlough scheme as everybody else. And your point would be?
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Sept 25, 2020 20:22:44 GMT 1
Post by donut on Sept 25, 2020 20:22:44 GMT 1
My calculator seems to be reasonably accurate and it tells me that Gareth Bale currently has an annual pay packet around the £31 million mark. Clearly he and many other well paid premiership players have a lot of loose change swashing about that they could donate to clubs below them in the pyramid. I doubt they would even miss it. I’m not holding my breath though. Someone or some organisation has to bail out the clubs in dire straits. Worthing needed £40,000 to upgrade their ground and local fans raised it in two weeks through crowdfunding. That’s a heroic effort for an Isthmian league club but when you read that Dover who could soon go under have weekly running costs of £80,000 that puts the money required into a pretty unpalatable perspective. Any Gills supporting multi millionaire philanthropists out there? Looks like Wrexham have found a couple. Don't think Scally would let them in.
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Post by mancunianinmedway on Sept 26, 2020 18:42:44 GMT 1
And they have been. Football clubs have had access to the same loans, tax holidays and furlough scheme as everybody else. And your point would be? That football clubs have had access to the exact same support as every other business in the country. While it would be nice if the EPL clubs helped out the EFL clubs I can't see it happening in any meaningful way. They are businesses too and the EFL have no right to expect them to give them money "just because". If Tesco was running out of money you wouldn't expect ASDA to bail them out, so why do people expect Liverpool to bail out some pokey league 1 club?
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Post by donut on Sept 26, 2020 22:08:52 GMT 1
That football clubs have had access to the exact same support as every other business in the country. While it would be nice if the EPL clubs helped out the EFL clubs I can't see it happening in any meaningful way. They are businesses too and the EFL have no right to expect them to give them money "just because". If Tesco was running out of money you wouldn't expect ASDA to bail them out, so why do people expect Liverpool to bail out some pokey league 1 club? Interesting, so your views extend to possibly up to 70 odd League clubs going to the wall and you think that's an acceptable situation and just written off in the offhand way that you ve just done-all that tribal, all that community and all that history and possibly 3 Leagues all done away with in one foul and I mean foul, sweep. There is the difference between ordinary businesses and Football businesses. There will be no replacement unlike pubs and cafes up and down the country, when clubs are done, they will be done. Now then, the arts and sport have not had the same help, they have remained closed, businesses have been allowed to open. Football clubs are having to pay furlough wages in part, with no income. Football s house has not been in order, including the lower Leagues, so now is the time to put that right, the house has not been in order because of the same market insanity that you promote. Football is not the same as ordinary businesses and that is the point, there is no point in pretending that it is.
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Post by mancunianinmedway on Sept 27, 2020 8:15:47 GMT 1
That football clubs have had access to the exact same support as every other business in the country. While it would be nice if the EPL clubs helped out the EFL clubs I can't see it happening in any meaningful way. They are businesses too and the EFL have no right to expect them to give them money "just because". If Tesco was running out of money you wouldn't expect ASDA to bail them out, so why do people expect Liverpool to bail out some pokey league 1 club? Interesting, so your views extend to possibly up to 70 odd League clubs going to the wall and you think that's an acceptable situation and just written off in the offhand way that you ve just done-all that tribal, all that community and all that history and possibly 3 Leagues all done away with in one foul and I mean foul, sweep. I never said it was acceptable, I merely pointed out a truth that you don't like. It is not the EPLs responsibility to prop up the lower leagues. Whether they should because it is the right thing to do is another matter entirely, but as I said, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. They have had the exact same help, the loans, tax breaks, furlough scheme etc applied to all businesses the same. The problem with football clubs is that if there was a special support package people would be annoyed that their taxes were being used to pay the wages of people who might earn more in a week than they do in a year. I guess they could have targeted help so loans that could only be used towards certain things like running costs or wages for back office staff and not players wages (or only a percentage of players wages) and not for transfers etc. But then other businesses who quite right question why football clubs have received special treatment when other companies have had to go out of business or made loads of staff redundant. Football clubs are the same as ordinary businesses they exist to make money for their owners. They might make money in a slightly different way, but the principles are the same. I agree about the state of football, and I think the wage cap in the EFL is a good way to even things out.
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