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Sept 27, 2020 17:58:30 GMT 1
Post by donut on Sept 27, 2020 17:58:30 GMT 1
Interesting, so your views extend to possibly up to 70 odd League clubs going to the wall and you think that's an acceptable situation and just written off in the offhand way that you ve just done-all that tribal, all that community and all that history and possibly 3 Leagues all done away with in one foul and I mean foul, sweep. I never said it was acceptable, I merely pointed out a truth that you don't like. It is not the EPLs responsibility to prop up the lower leagues. Whether they should because it is the right thing to do is another matter entirely, but as I said, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. They have had the exact same help, the loans, tax breaks, furlough scheme etc applied to all businesses the same. The problem with football clubs is that if there was a special support package people would be annoyed that their taxes were being used to pay the wages of people who might earn more in a week than they do in a year. I guess they could have targeted help so loans that could only be used towards certain things like running costs or wages for back office staff and not players wages (or only a percentage of players wages) and not for transfers etc. But then other businesses who quite right question why football clubs have received special treatment when other companies have had to go out of business or made loads of staff redundant. Football clubs are the same as ordinary businesses they exist to make money for their owners. They might make money in a slightly different way, but the principles are the same. I agree about the state of football, and I think the wage cap in the EFL is a good way to even things out. You can't have it both ways I'm afraid, wage caps interfere with the sacred market. I refer you to my last sentence of my last post.
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Post by mancunianinmedway on Sept 29, 2020 8:56:20 GMT 1
I never said it was acceptable, I merely pointed out a truth that you don't like. It is not the EPLs responsibility to prop up the lower leagues. Whether they should because it is the right thing to do is another matter entirely, but as I said, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. They have had the exact same help, the loans, tax breaks, furlough scheme etc applied to all businesses the same. The problem with football clubs is that if there was a special support package people would be annoyed that their taxes were being used to pay the wages of people who might earn more in a week than they do in a year. I guess they could have targeted help so loans that could only be used towards certain things like running costs or wages for back office staff and not players wages (or only a percentage of players wages) and not for transfers etc. But then other businesses who quite right question why football clubs have received special treatment when other companies have had to go out of business or made loads of staff redundant. Football clubs are the same as ordinary businesses they exist to make money for their owners. They might make money in a slightly different way, but the principles are the same. I agree about the state of football, and I think the wage cap in the EFL is a good way to even things out. You can't have it both ways I'm afraid, wage caps interfere with the sacred market. I refer you to my last sentence of my last post. You can have it both ways. It is the culture that surrounds professional football that is the issue. Rugby has had wage caps for a long time, along with rules about players who play in their national teams having to live in that country, and clubs having to have a certain number of home grown players. I am not against lower League clubs getting support, it is just the double standards that annoy me. It's not acceptable for a football club to go out of business but it's ok for other businesses to go out of business or lay off most of their staff. And if the government do step in the backlash would be huge if clubs then start signing players rather than using any government money to simply keep the club going.
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Sept 29, 2020 19:21:44 GMT 1
Post by donut on Sept 29, 2020 19:21:44 GMT 1
If you think the Market is King, you can't have it both ways. The point is, the Market should never be King, one should always be prepared to intervene but not only when it suits money people whether they be ordinary businesses or Football businesses. Imo, Football has never been, nor should be a business in that sense. It is very different and should not always be about money. As of course you agree.
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Sept 29, 2020 19:25:41 GMT 1
Post by donut on Sept 29, 2020 19:25:41 GMT 1
By the way, there will be businesses go bust in this current environment, if and when the vaccine comes, others will start up inc. hospitality perhaps, some even making a come back but it will be difficult. If a Football club goes under, if a lot go under, the chances are we won't see them again.
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Post by donut on Oct 4, 2020 12:19:14 GMT 1
Sad to see us not finding investors when Wigan and Charlton have. We have so much potential in Medway, I do have suspicions we are being held back.
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Post by gills1970 on Oct 6, 2020 14:56:12 GMT 1
Sad to see us not finding investors when Wigan and Charlton have. We have so much potential in Medway, I do have suspicions we are being held back. Held back? Please explain
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Post by donut on Oct 6, 2020 16:37:24 GMT 1
Sad to see us not finding investors when Wigan and Charlton have. We have so much potential in Medway, I do have suspicions we are being held back. Held back? Please explain Well the usual and only suspect.
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Post by gills1970 on Oct 7, 2020 14:37:17 GMT 1
I'm not well placed (or fainty inclined) to get into the Scally debate; its well worn for over 20 years now. I suspect I like him as much as half, and dislike him as much as the other half. For sure I don't know him and have not dealt with him on a personal level so have to reserve a fair amount of judgement on the issue.
What I would say is that Gills have been in existence over the last 25 or so years of his tenure and have had the expected ups and downs of a lower league club in that time. Also, notwithstanding whether you believe it or not, you can't help but have read/watched the news over the past six months and the fallout from the current situation is bound to hit clubs. While I don't think GFC will be immune, I also imagine it will be far from the frst to go under if the worse case scenario comes around.
And on the matter of big money backers, while we may dream of being a Wolves, isn't it also as likely we may end up as another Sunderland?
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Post by donut on Oct 9, 2020 20:55:54 GMT 1
I have no further comment.
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Oct 13, 2020 21:39:04 GMT 1
Post by donut on Oct 13, 2020 21:39:04 GMT 1
Well I have to comment on Scallys latest communication. You see what the system we live in does for us? Listen to him, he doesn't know which way to turn, you see he likes the system and defends it but part of him wants it to change for himself. That just about sums it and him up. It will be their own fault if the whole of the lower pyramid collapses and I shall be past caring.
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Oct 18, 2020 7:35:16 GMT 1
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Post by swansgills888 on Oct 18, 2020 7:35:16 GMT 1
donut.. i do agree that Scally is holding us back and never been a big fan of him and once he does move on the better. The only reason the fans are not on his back is down to Evans astute management and contacts in the game, our best boss since Pulis era.
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Oct 18, 2020 11:13:23 GMT 1
Post by donut on Oct 18, 2020 11:13:23 GMT 1
Agree.
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Oct 22, 2020 16:51:33 GMT 1
Post by donut on Oct 22, 2020 16:51:33 GMT 1
In his latest outburst Scally sounds like a true Socialist, what I've been saying for years!
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Oct 27, 2020 22:21:54 GMT 1
Post by summerwell on Oct 27, 2020 22:21:54 GMT 1
If Scally is a socialist then Donald Trump is a Trotskyite. Scally the great Democrat -yes absolutely.
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Post by swansgills888 on Oct 30, 2020 7:39:45 GMT 1
I will get a Chinese consortium to buy Gillingham in the future. I recently organised a meeting in London with my friend KUQI and a Chinese contact based in London who's friend brought Reading FC.
The only way to make progress with the club I support is new owners. Scally will never do more than he can at the moment because his vision is based on false hope and at the end of the day, it's all about him. I can see through him.
Watch this space !!!
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