Rovers

[summerwell]

I agree and it's hardly the manager's fault. Our superb recruitment team has provided him with a crock and a no-hoper.

[donut]

Well he was responsible more than once last season with Nichols for dragging us up the table. This season we did miss him and couldn't score without him. So he's not useless. Is he what we need for league one well..no I suppose.

[mooonlightgraham]

That's the whole point of my original comment,the Gills don't have the players to compete for an automatic spot at the end of the season,I think we are doing well with what we have got just to stay in the race for a play off spot. There is nothing they can do about it at this late stage of the season, I can honestly say I am very disappointed that BG didn't grab the club by the scruff of the neck at Christmas and bring in a couple of goal scoring forwards on loan from the Championship, Maybe Mr.Money Bags isn't going to be the owner I had hoped he would be,seems he might be a bean counter, instead of the guy to flash the cash.

[terryjolleysboot]

Mar 10, 2024 14:18:13 GMT 1 mooonlightgraham said:

That's the whole point of my original comment,the Gills don't have the players to compete for an automatic spot at the end of the season,I think we are doing well with what we have got just to stay in the race for a play off spot. There is nothing they can do about it at this late stage of the season, I can honestly say I am very disappointed that BG didn't grab the club by the scruff of the neck at Christmas and bring in a couple of goal scoring forwards on loan from the Championship, Maybe Mr.Money Bags isn't going to be the owner I had hoped he would be,seems he might be a bean counter, instead of the guy to flash the cash.

Exactly!!!
Are the Gallinsons actually in control of the club sadly it doesn't seem the case...
So many poor clubs in this division and we are struggling to make top 7...

[donut]

Somethings not right, you heard it on here first.

[hessisgod]

Mar 10, 2024 12:58:46 GMT 1 summerwell said:

I agree and it's hardly the manager's fault. Our superb recruitment team has provided him with a crock and a no-hoper.

Hang on - SC made a big fuss in the press about how he had the final say on any player that came in. 
He can't not take the responsibility for the signings when it suits.

[hessisgod]

Mar 10, 2024 14:18:13 GMT 1 mooonlightgraham said:

That's the whole point of my original comment,the Gills don't have the players to compete for an automatic spot at the end of the season,I think we are doing well with what we have got just to stay in the race for a play off spot. There is nothing they can do about it at this late stage of the season, I can honestly say I am very disappointed that BG didn't grab the club by the scruff of the neck at Christmas and bring in a couple of goal scoring forwards on loan from the Championship, Maybe Mr.Money Bags isn't going to be the owner I had hoped he would be,seems he might be a bean counter, instead of the guy to flash the cash.

Rubbish.
The players may not be performing, but thats different to us not having the players.
Johnny Williams had over 20 goal involvements last season. Tim Dieng was in league two team of the year. Lapslie was tearing it up at Mansfield. Hell, Hawkins was scoring more goals as a defender than he is for us as a striker for Mansfield. Mahoney was good enough in the championship to get a move for 19k a week. Malone was at Millwall a season ago in the Championship.
Not got the players? pull the other one. 

[stevolution]

Never thought I'd make this comparison, but we are very like Man Utd this season.

The players are good players and are better than they are showing
The manager is not improving the players
The manager is not making the team greater than the sun of its parts
And yet... I can't help but look at the players and wonder what they think they are doing. Despite the manager or the system, Jonny Williams has to do better than 0 goals and 1 assist in 33 games. Scott Malone has to do better than he has in all but 4 or 5 games. George Lapslie has to do better than 1 goal 0 assists in 29 games.

[summerwell]

The overwhelming issue for us is the lack of goals ( not exactly a revelation after three years) and my point is that our so-called strikers are simply not good enough. Hawkins 'technique', if you can call it that , whether the ball is in the air or on the ground, is to back into his marker and usually then fall down waving his arms in futile protest. Gills fans, game after game, call out the refs for not giving him enough protection - in my view the officials are getting it right as Hawkins is initiating the contact; all the opponents are doing is standing their ground.

I think he has adopted this tactic because 'it's his only option; he's far too slow to go past an opponent or run the channels so he hardly ever gets the ball in front of him.
In the final stages of our last game ,when we were besieging their penalty box, can you think of one instance where it was Hawkins in possession or threatening to find the finishing touch ? I feel sorry for the guy; I think he is a trier but maybe his last layoff has seen his pace drop even further.

Nadesen is a complete mystery. He looks totally out of his depth.

As for SC's other options; Walker, Clarke, Andrews-on-a-stretcher, Gbode (!!!)

I would credit every contributor on this board with more than enough sense to remedy our lack of goals - sign a decent bleeding striker or two.

We can't score -we sign a fullback
we still can't score we -sign another fullback
No luck yet ? We sign a crock,
Things are getting desperate - OK let's get that guy-oh you know that young lad, what's -'is-name ? Watson ? Wilson ? Walter ?.

Recruitment has never looked so easy since Lord Kitchener was in charge.

[donut]

Unless the coach is a complete no hoper, which is still a possibility I may add, then the problem is usually the top, that goes for any organisation. I still think Priestfield is an unhappy, toxic place and I can only think of one reason foùr that. Its the same reason as the last 25 or so years and its bound to affect everything, I mean everything, it's more complex than just, what's he got to do with the team. I think Brad has to get hold of it, I'm sure he's not stupid and he has to put an end to it ASAP. This has gone on since before Evans and we know that he knows how to win, even if he is obnoxious. Scally will find someone to fall out with in a phone box, the atmosphere at the club I still believe is toxic and Hess and Jackett probably also have to go for the long term. OK so on the pitch, the points made are good ones but why are our players who have performed, so awful? Something is not right continually and if we lose at Wimbledon expect more of the same from all directions. If Clem DOES have anything about him I can't see him staying and if he doesn't, I can't see him staying. Goodness only knows what's round the next corner at GFC, Scally may know and you wouldn't put it past him to fall out with Brad.

[stevolution]

Mar 11, 2024 16:02:27 GMT 1 summerwell said:

The overwhelming issue for us is the lack of goals ( not exactly a revelation after three years) and my point is that our so-called strikers are simply not good enough. Hawkins 'technique', if you can call it that , whether the ball is in the air or on the ground, is to back into his marker and usually then fall down waving his arms in futile protest. Gills fans, game after game, call out the refs for not giving him enough protection - in my view the officials are getting it right as Hawkins is initiating the contact; all the opponents are doing is standing their ground.

I think he has adopted this tactic because 'it's his only option; he's far too slow to go past an opponent or run the channels so he hardly ever gets the ball in front of him.
In the final stages of our last game ,when we were besieging their penalty box, can you think of one instance where it was Hawkins in possession or threatening to find the finishing touch ? I feel sorry for the guy; I think he is a trier but maybe his last layoff has seen his pace drop even further.

Nadesen is a complete mystery. He looks totally out of his depth.

As for SC's other options; Walker, Clarke, Andrews-on-a-stretcher, Gbode (!!!)

I would credit every contributor on this board with more than enough sense to remedy our lack of goals - sign a decent bleeding striker or two.

We can't score -we sign a fullback
we still can't score we -sign another fullback
No luck yet ? We sign a crock,
Things are getting desperate - OK let's get that guy-oh you know that young lad, what's -'is-name ? Watson ? Wilson ? Walter ?.

Recruitment has never looked so easy since Lord Kitchener was in charge.

Hawkins has over an inch in height on most centre backs. The idea that he tries to foul them all makes no sense when he has the advantage. I've been to plenty of games where he gets fouled A LOT.

Yes, we bought a full back. We bought a full back with the most assists in the league. You need assists to score goals. We weren't getting enough crosses in to the box. Yes we still need a striker, and that is on the scouting team. That doesn't make Hutton a bad signing!

[hessisgod]

Yet how many assists has Hutton got since signing…..

I believe he’s thrown more punches at his own teammates or made stupid videos.

[stevolution]

OK let's bring back Cheye

[hessisgod]

Didn’t rate Alexander, but as of yet, Hutton hasn’t convinced he’s a significant upgrade, or is it another example of us not getting enough out of a quality player?

[summerwell]

Stevo- I never said Hawkins was trying to foul his markers, simply that backing into them is seen by refs as the cause of him falling over and not that he is being fouled. You rightly point out his height advantage, which only makes his lack of success the more disappointing.
To me he looks like a utility player, which is what his previous dual role as CF/CB would suggest. Delivering decent crosses is.of course, important but only if you have someone in position and with the skills to convert them.So far we've seen precious little of either from Hawkins.
As I said I think he is an honest trier but just too slow, too weak in the challenge and without a genuine striker's finishing skills.