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Post by stroodgills on Aug 4, 2011 13:02:26 GMT 1
How many minutes into the game saturday will it be before are idiot supporters start to get onto the players/Hessys back because were not winning & haven't got the league title already sewn up?
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Post by jeffrow on Aug 4, 2011 15:03:07 GMT 1
Less than one, probably.....
Not from me though, will back Hess and the boys win, lose or draw!!!
UTG!!!!
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Post by fusionsarson on Aug 4, 2011 15:46:12 GMT 1
I'm gonna say this now, and I'll repeat myself till I'm blue in the face over the whole season...
Fans in attendance have the right to criticise all they want, it comes with the price of admission and as far as I'm aware there's always been those that moan. That's life. Don't like it, ignore it.
Don't be one of those fans telling others to shut up, that just makes you the prick.
At the end of the day, if a player is clearly not pulling his weight/being a petulant child/waste of oxygen on the field, I'm telling him so.
Cheering him on like a demented cheerleader isn't going to change their attitude. It just makes you look retarded.
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Post by tommyt on Aug 4, 2011 15:57:00 GMT 1
How can anyone say they will back the manager lose or draw!!!
Bet Mark Stimson wishes he'd had that backing!!
Yes give the team a bit of time but looking at the fixtures we desperately need a good August as September is looking tough!
The team needs a good positive win on saturday, not a draw or a defeat and if they don't get it then people have a right to moan!
Can't fans get realistic and understand that just coz people moan doesn't make them any less of a fan! In fact doesn't it make someone more passionate if their not prepared to accept 2nd best all the time!!
If Gills fail this season the manager should be gone! Simple as that!
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Post by nickthehoover on Aug 4, 2011 19:33:52 GMT 1
I agree to an extent that as fans paid the money they have every right to display their pleasure/anger with the performance of the team.
However, I believe that what stroodgills was implying is disappointment with the small number of Gillingham fans who expect us to be winning every game regardless of circumstance. I do concur with this because this small group of fans do get on my nerves with their ridiculously high expectations of the teams performance. I think that we have a much trickier game than we are anticipating on Saturday, and for one I believe that Yates has made some very good additions to his squad to replace key players like Wes Thomas who have left. Consequently, I feel that it would be wrong of fans to get on the teams back too much because we have a tough game to play and it will not be easy.
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Post by swanleygill on Aug 4, 2011 20:14:40 GMT 1
so if we lose our 1st game of a 46 game season, some people will moan, thats pathetic.
And ive never understood if peoples expectations are so high, then why support gillingham. Go and support man utd. We can come in top 3 by losing 10 and drawing 10 games this season. The only time id moan is if we lost 10 -15 on the bounce and all the players look like they dont give a toss.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2011 21:11:57 GMT 1
I have a real problem with the whole "I pay my money so I can boo if I want" nonsense.
Firstly, the negative fans around the crowd ruin it for everyone. I don't want to sit next to someone constantly moaning throughout the game. If I wanted to listen to someone moan for 90 mins, I'd go see my Mum.
Secondly, it ruins the atmosphere in the ground. I really can't understand how anyone thinks getting on a player's back or booing will help performances. Think about yourself at work. If you spent every day with your boss telling you that you were crap, your performance would suffer.
Thirdly, booing is a relatively new phenomenon in football. When I started watching Gills in 1989, I don't remember booing. I don't remember booing under Roder when we were awful, or even the total negativity under rubbish like Flanagan. I used to stand on the Rainham End and have a laugh. If the game was rubbish, we took the mickey. We always got behind the team. It was much more fun.....
One of the few things I agreed with Stimson on was if you want to come and slag off players/ the team, stay at home. We don't need you in the ground spreading negative vibes. The club would do much better if those so called fans frankly sodded off and supported Charlton. You don't have a right to boo. If you're a real fan, you get behind your team through thick and thin and you realise that we won't win every game. The highs and lows (mainly lows) are part of being a Gills fan. If you want to win every week, go to Chelsea
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Post by johnknee on Aug 4, 2011 22:57:10 GMT 1
I have a real problem with the whole "I pay my money so I can boo if I want" nonsense. Firstly, the negative fans around the crowd ruin it for everyone. I don't want to sit next to someone constantly moaning throughout the game. If I wanted to listen to someone moan for 90 mins, I'd go see my Mum. I kinda accept the whole "I pay I money so I have the right to main" argument (although I keep quiet at the ground and use the forums to moan) but the issue for me is not that people might shout out comments now and again if warrented, but when the booboys shout out on general principle. I recall players like Browning and Osborn often being slagged off the moment they made their first misplaced pass, but someone like Paul Smith could have a nightmare and be passing all over the place but people remained silent. You have people in the ground who seem to go just waiting for the likes of Julian, Adam Miller and recently Fuller to misplace that first pass so they can shout out (I know most have moved on since) abuse without acknowledging anything good they might do and look to blame them regardless of if they were actually at fault. Secondly, it ruins the atmosphere in the ground. I really can't understand how anyone thinks getting on a player's back or booing will help performances. Think about yourself at work. If you spent every day with your boss telling you that you were crap, your performance would suffer. Agreed... Thirdly, booing is a relatively new phenomenon in football. When I started watching Gills in 1989, I don't remember booing. I don't remember booing under Roder when we were awful, or even the total negativity under rubbish like Flanagan. I used to stand on the Rainham End and have a laugh. If the game was rubbish, we took the mickey. We always got behind the team. It was much more fun..... The main point though was that being at the bottom of the pile, we ended up with past it old players and youth players who were forced into the first team too early and ruined them. As a result, rubbish was the norm. In the modern context, we have spent more money relatively speaking than what the likes of Flanagan had and so the expectations are higher. Compare Hess's squad with this season with the team Roader had or Flanagan had and Hess's would be expected to win more often than not. The resources spent by Hess means battling against relegation is not an option - that is why Hess got heckled for the poor start last season as we knew the team and players were capable of so much more.... But back to the stroodgills question of "how long?", then I think it comes down to the performance. We have played a hell of a lot of pre-season friendlies so Hess has no excuse for a disjoined looking team. If we put in a performance as we started last season then people will get frustrated if the longer the match goes on without us looking like scoring. If we are playing well (creating a few chances), then the fact the score is only 0-0 is unlikely to be so big an issue. |
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Post by swanleygill on Aug 4, 2011 23:07:51 GMT 1
if we are playing well and creating a few chances and draw 0-0 people will still moan and say 'i told you this would happen, we need another striker and kedwell is poo'
Its the first game of 46, to me at this early stage, the titled question is irrelivent, Ask again in Oct/ Nov
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Post by tommyt on Aug 4, 2011 23:14:53 GMT 1
Some of you are really sad muppets!!
If you don't like this go support *****!! Absolutely pathetic!!
Just because we don't watch Gills through rose coloured specs like some of u morons we should go elsewhere!!
I don't expect wins every week i expect improvement on last season which means play offs as a minimum and a lot more from the manager with regards to tactics when things are going wrong!! Unlike last season!
I don't boo but i can constructively criticise the team if i want. I also don't expect miracles of the championship year after year. What i do expect is the club to be fighting away in division 1 where a club of our stature/potential should be!
If you all want to accept division 2 dross year after year thats fine but we held our own easily in division 1 (old division 3) for a long while and should be aiming for that now!
If the team don't improve on last season the manager should be gone! Simple as that!
He was lucky he stayed last season and if he can't improve on that then he has to go!
But i suppose the specs will come out again on that topic! As it's Hess!
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Post by jaggysnake on Aug 5, 2011 7:05:56 GMT 1
so if we lose our 1st game of a 46 game season, some people will moan, thats pathetic. And ive never understood if peoples expectations are so high, then why support gillingham. Go and support man utd. We can come in top 3 by losing 10 and drawing 10 games this season. The only time id moan is if we lost 10 -15 on the bounce and all the players look like they dont give a toss. So if we start like we did last season, you still won't be moaning? More fool you. I don't boo at games, and I certainly don't shout abuse at the players during games, but I know that if we don't win tomorrow, I won't be happy. As for "go and support Manchester United", ironically they are now my local team, but I certainly won't be. However, I don't think that it is unrealistic for Gillingham to be promoted this season. We are a big club for this level, we spend a lot of money on wages, we've spent the best part of £200k on transfer fees this summer - how many other teams at this level have done that? (I think it's none, Crawley's signings are mostly frees on big wages) But the biggest thing for me is entertainment value. I was entertained by Hessenthaler's "tactics" about two or three times last season. I don't mind going to a game and seeing us not win as much if we've played some good football along the way. But "performances" like the last two home games of last season are absolutely unacceptable, and at least this season people can't throw the pathetic "THESE ARE STIMSON'S PLAYERS" argument out there. I think now it's only King, Weston, Jackman, Payne and Rooney that are on deals signed before Hessenthaler returned. This is his team, this is the side he has built to win promotion and if it fails to do that, then we all have every bloody right to be upset with it. And it's not as if watching the Gills is a cheap habit... Especially when, as I do, you live more than 200 miles away... |
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Post by northantsgill on Aug 5, 2011 7:33:51 GMT 1
I'm gonna say this now, and I'll repeat myself till I'm blue in the face over the whole season... Fans in attendance have the right to criticise all they want, it comes with the price of admission and as far as I'm aware there's always been those that moan. That's life. Don't like it, ignore it. Don't be one of those fans telling others to shut up, that just makes you the prick. At the end of the day, if a player is clearly not pulling his weight/being a petulant child/waste of oxygen on the field, I'm telling him so. Cheering him on like a demented cheerleader isn't going to change their attitude. It just makes you look retarded. I hope i don't sit next to you! I don't agree with this 'paid your money means you can moan like a 5 year old whose had his sweets taken away'. We're not watching the TV, its real. When players hear people whining do you really think it spurs them on? No, especially when they've been on people's back the whole season. try something revolutionary, encourage them. might actually make a difference. If i want to hear people moan, i'd stay at home : ) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2011 7:59:43 GMT 1
It's not about blindly being happy with everything that goes on or accepting league 2 football. I agree the pressure is on Hess to at least make the play offs given the backing he's had.
100% agree with John though. The place to moan and constructively criticse when things go wrong is this message board. It hurts when we lose and it's nice to come on here and vent every now and then. The stadium is not the place for that
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Post by jaybo on Aug 5, 2011 9:08:18 GMT 1
If people want to moan, then they can because you can't stop them. Hpowever they are in the majority.
The problem is the "singers" were not so cherpy last season and what you'll find is when everyone is singing, the boo boys join in too.
Lets not discuss whether people can boo or not because why don't you cheer to counter what you hear.
This is the first negative thread of the season so lets try and stay a bit more positive because I really do think we will win tomorrow .
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Post by vambogills on Aug 5, 2011 10:57:58 GMT 1
Like a few on here I've been coming since the 70's and you are never more than a few feet from a Medway moaner at Priestfield.
Fortunately the majority do 'Support' the team as that's what we pay to come and do. The more positive noise from the fans the better the players respond (12th man and all that)
Last season the second half 'Ring of Fire' from kick off inspired some of our greater efforts.
I'm as excited by this season as I was my first as I love the game and I will get over any poor performances.
Don't boo the players. Say Hello to the stewards and live with the moaners - there will still be some if we go up as champions.
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