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Post by dazza23 on Jan 7, 2015 20:48:24 GMT 1
If we lose Saturday then sacking Peter Taylor was a big mistake without having someone ready to replace him we only had 2 defeats in our last 7 before Taylor went, 2 away wins on the spin and was coming up against a very average Port Vale team. We have since lost our next 2 games and lose to Crewe on Saturday we will be in the relagation zone somewhere we have not been all season under Taylor. I was not Taylor greatest fan but we should have at least kept him until scally knew who he wanted to replace him with cause Hess has proved numerous times he in inept when it comes to management.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2015 21:20:50 GMT 1
Fully agree dazza PT's release IMO was an error at this stage,there are of course some who will disagree.The fact remains that we have slipped down since he went, never mind the popular comment " we are playing better football" we are now back on a losing streak, an equally well bantered saying being " its all about results".
Really feel that there is something afoot that we know nothing about as it does not seem logic to me to dispense with our manager on the eve of the opening of the transfer window without a replacement in mind or even standing by.Was never enthusiastic about PT but do believe that having appointed him, allowind him to assemble "his" squad we should have let him see it through, we where improving, to slow for some, but IMO we would still have been L1 at the end of the season, now not so sure.The ship is under sail, no helmsman.
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Post by bert on Jan 7, 2015 21:20:57 GMT 1
The biggest mistake was hiring Taylor in the first place!
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 7, 2015 21:21:13 GMT 1
Taylor made a lot of errors it cost him the job time to move on.I still think the basic idea was a good one but the players were not able to carry out the roles that Taylor wanted. The middle of the park was a major problem with being outnumbered almost all the time.On a positive I really believe we have the makings of a good squad with the right adjustments.I don't think that the players were right for the roles Taylor wanted for them.So most of the problem comes back to him.To worry about one or two games without a boss when it all depends who you get I would prefer to wait for the right man if that man is at another club then the wait could be a few weeks yet.Getting a Peacock or Pulis against a Cooper or Stimson for missing a game or two no contest.
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 7, 2015 22:20:14 GMT 1
It could be that Scally had someone in mind but a better man/men currently working at another club has expressed a interest.Would you still think we should go with second best or worse if that was the case?
Why are people always so worried about now long term future happiness in life, work,or in this case our club is almost always more important than now the moment in time.
Whats more important for example a happy wedding day or a happy married life???
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Post by muppet on Jan 7, 2015 23:44:59 GMT 1
Agree was wrong time and 2/3 appropriate and good signings in the window would have seen us safe. Concerned now we will miss the good signings and I believe managers at higher league clubs had faith in PT and were prepared to loan their good young players to us with that knowledge.
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Post by terryjolleysboot on Jan 8, 2015 14:35:39 GMT 1
The biggest mistake was hiring Taylor in the first place! Agree wholeheartedly! Crewe away is vital but I think we are capable if winning there! |
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Post by muppet on Jan 9, 2015 0:28:51 GMT 1
If we don't at least get a draw we are in serious do do.
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Post by 1959gills on Jan 9, 2015 11:56:47 GMT 1
Employing Taylor was an easy option, he gained promotion to Championship on the back of Pulis team from previous year, He then failed at Leicester and Bradford, Using Hess however much of a legend another easy option, he has always been awful with stratogy and tactics,
If we have Nathan Jones is Scslly accepting we will get relegated and then build again
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Post by swansgills888 on Jan 9, 2015 14:48:59 GMT 1
Sacking any manager is never a good time but Taylor was not managing up to a acceptable standard in most people's eyes so sacking him was for the best and keeping him on was only going to manifest the situation to greater depth.
There's a air of optimism around now that taylor has gone and some of the players hopefully will perform or show they are worth holding onto.
Fancy us to beat Crewe tomorrow.
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Post by mistert on Jan 9, 2015 19:16:26 GMT 1
There's a air of optimism around now that taylor has gone and some of the players hopefully will perform or show they are worth holding onto. Well, you're happy anyway. I haven't been to any of the games since the sacking so I'm just going to go by results - played 3, lost 3. With the supposed greater emphasis on attacking football our stats are: goals for = 4 (just over 1 a game), goals against = 9 (3 a game). I really hope we turn it around soon but leaking goals and having Doughty and Lennon recalled is hardly an auspicious start. Any of you who were under the impression that getting rid of Taylor was all part of some carefully calculated plan must surely be starting to come round to the idea that it was in fact done in a fit of pique with no thought to the immediate consequences. Whether you thought Taylor should have stayed or not the way in which it was done has damaged the club and, if we don't start winning soon, the Fab Four will quickly find out how fickle some fans are. |
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Post by muppet on Jan 9, 2015 21:08:52 GMT 1
Totally agree mistert.
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Post by swansgills888 on Jan 10, 2015 1:29:06 GMT 1
We won't miss lennon or doughty because there are better players around than them , doughty was ok for us but nothing special, so no great loss there.
It hasn't damaged the club, leaving taylor in charge would have caused even longer damage and his progress as a manager for our club was questionable and the right time to sack him was asap. I'd be very surprised if he could be find another managers job for a league club now because his stock has fallen and been falling for quite some time since losing the Leicester job. Stick to coaching the youngsters or manage Canvey Island.
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Post by superblues on Jan 10, 2015 9:12:45 GMT 1
Hiring Taylor was the mistake. Our club is in a bit of a mess right now and and is going to take a lot of time and correct decisions to put it in order. I'm afraid I don't get the comments that we were doing better and playing more enjoyable football as this season has been poor. I am sure Taylor is a good coach and got the Pulis team playing better football but only because they were better players. Getting promotion that season was a good achievement but was it as great as we think? Ashby, Butters,Pennock,Hess,Smith,Saunders,Taylor were at the club and were all leaders and could all be considered captain material. Taylor added a few players in Butler,Thompson, Onuora, Gooden, Lewis who (apart from maybe Gooden) weren't good enough for the championship so we weren't building even though we were one of the favourites to be promoted. The Christian Lee,Barry Millar,Brian Mcglinchy signings were a joke and if anyone ever thought they were going to play championship football then it's a worry(Taylor obviously did). Big spending Man City and Fulham had just been promoted out of the league which weakened it as well. Then when we were promoted Hess didn't have a clue how to replace our aging key players and our championship years just fizzled out. So how we arrived at a Taylor/Hess dream team is a worry but a cheap worry. The next management team appointment is crucial, the money in the last decade we have paid out for hiring and firing managers and their team must be a lot of money.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 10:24:27 GMT 1
Couple of very odd comments in the last couple of posts. Firstly, we won't find it at all easy to replace Doughty who has been very very good indeed. He's provided lovely dribbling in the middle of the park. The idea he wasn't all that great and can be easily replaced is total rubbish.
As for the history lesson about pt, let's correct some inaccuracy. Firstly, let's remember he took us somewhere we've never been before or since. He managed to achieve something pulis was unable to. Secondly, he strengthened that team. Without Thomson, Onuora, Gooden etc, we wouldn't have gone up. It's also well known that the signings of Shaw, King and Hope were Taylor signings. Essential in the championship and all 3 were fabulous players for us.
As for Hess, it's also well known that he went to the chairman and told him that his ageing side needed replacing. Due to itv digital, funds weren't available. He was told to get the best out of what he had. Keeping us in the championship for 5 years on our budget was remarkable and remember we had some very decent results and a couple of cup runs on the way.
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