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Post by swansgills888 on Jan 11, 2015 19:00:40 GMT 1
Yes Terry. Cody . Egan . Nelson. Dack and loft are decent and hoyte is quite good. Martin is good going forward but poor defending. Legge is decent and dodgy at the same time The rest need to be moved on or loaned out.
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Post by terryjolleysboot on Jan 11, 2015 19:07:31 GMT 1
You keep on about this "general consensus." There is no evidence at all of that on this board. I'd suggest under 50% of the fans on this board weren't supportive. Even in the stands, there were some who weren't supportive, but again, a minority Right Hessigod where's the evidence that the majority of people were behind him! Everyone who I know who are Gills fans wanted rid of him! Sadly Taylor has divided opinion and caused so much bad feelings at the club it Will take a good manager to bring back harmony to Gills! But the man who is the main cause of the divide in our club is our chairman Paul Scally!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 20:39:15 GMT 1
Quite simply there is evidence on this message board for a start and also from the lack of "Taylor out" chants at the ground. Not a single one. The closest was the "leave one up" chant, which I didn't disagree with.
Don't disagree with you about a division though. That's been there since the Stimson days and I also don't disagree that our chairman has done us any favours for some time. Sacking Allen wasn't wildly bright, though it did work. The timing of Taylor's sacking was just pathetic
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 11, 2015 20:47:09 GMT 1
Quite simply there is evidence on this message board for a start and also from the lack of "Taylor out" chants at the ground. Not a single one. The closest was the "leave one up" chant, which I didn't disagree with. Don't disagree with you about a division though. That's been there since the Stimson days and I also don't disagree that our chairman has done us any favours for some time. Sacking Allen wasn't wildly bright, though it did work. The timing of Taylor's sacking was just pathetic Without knowing what is coming next how do we know why Scally has done what he has.You hint the you disagreed with Martin Allen being sacked but now in hindsight can see why it was done.I believe that all will be clearer in time we have to hope Scally has it right.
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Post by holbrook on Jan 12, 2015 13:31:42 GMT 1
The trouble with some Gills fans is they seem to want instant improvement, It took Tony Pulis three seasons to make the play off final(with a much bigger budget). Peter Taylor took over last season with poor set of players for League1, had to use the little resources he had to keep us up. He did. With games to spare. Up until his sacking he was slowly improving the squad, common sense says that to build a good side you start from the back. Watching the rebuilding has not been easy. Having to do the job with little or no money was always going to take time, tlme he was not given. You don't sack a good builder working under the same constraints just before he puts on the roof and fits the doors and windows. Then get four your 'friends' in to finish the job. Now I fear we will have a repeat of last season, someone new having to keep us up then rebuild in the close season. The same problems will re-occur, and almost certainly the fans will turn on the next manager because he has not had the required results.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 14:46:42 GMT 1
Quite simply there is evidence on this message board for a start and also from the lack of "Taylor out" chants at the ground. Not a single one. The closest was the "leave one up" chant, which I didn't disagree with. Don't disagree with you about a division though. That's been there since the Stimson days and I also don't disagree that our chairman has done us any favours for some time. Sacking Allen wasn't wildly bright, though it did work. The timing of Taylor's sacking was just pathetic Without knowing what is coming next how do we know why Scally has done what he has.You hint the you disagreed with Martin Allen being sacked but now in hindsight can see why it was done.I believe that all will be clearer in time we have to hope Scally has it right. I think the reason I had a problem with sacking Allen was two fold. Firstly, he had just gotten us promoted. To sack a manager so quickly after promotion was wrong, regardless of my own views about some of Allen's signings and management style. Secondly, the fans were supportive of Allen, mainly as they were grateful for promotion. One of the reasons Taylor was never accepted by some was due to the way we got rid of Allen. Scally got away with sacking Allen, in part, as Taylor kept us up. However, he didn't get away with it fully as a number of fans never backed him/compared him to Allen all the time etc. What's gone is gone, but this time, the chairman needs to make the right appointment and give that person at least 3-4 years to do a proper job
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 14:54:55 GMT 1
Thank god ! Can u imagine giving Taylor 3/4 year deal. I think most of us would be on valium full time with his so called brand of football. His second spell has been uninspiring and at least he can do the non league circuit which he can take dickenson. Norris. German. Pritchard and macglashan with him to Canvey Island or maybe Chatham town. For a start, German isn't a Taylor signing. Allen signed him. Norris has done ok in patches. He's not been given a run in the team, but his goals have been important and scored at crucial games. No, not enough, but had to be critical of a player who has done ok in flashes, but not given a run in the side. Dickenson has improved a lot since the start of the season. There was a stat recently that when he and Norris started in forward positions, we'd won every game. He'll be a reasonable player long term, but remember, he started the season off the back of injury and didn't have a full pre season. Prichard has been injury prone. However, he was decent against Bristol City and I've seen the odd thing from him that suggests he has something. His passing ability and range is first class. Again, he needs games and a run in the team. McGlashan hasn't gone it yet, but he's the type of player you want signed. He's 26 and more experienced. Again, he's also had injury problems at the start of the season, which never helps a player. I've said this before, but being fit pre season is massive. It has a big effect on a player when he misses some of pre season. It can also take a player time to settle at a new club. Remember, Jordan Henderson was almost on his way from Liverpool, now he's going to be captain next year and is an England international. Your comments about the recent signings highlight the problem with your impatience and desire for immediate success. It doesn't happen
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Post by muppet on Jan 12, 2015 21:59:03 GMT 1
Unfortunately Hess, the nature of the football beast doesnt allow for 3/4 years to build a team and success as we have found out to our cost, even though that is our only chance unless we get big investment and buy promotions as the large majority of promoted teams do these days.
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Post by mistert on Jan 12, 2015 22:08:04 GMT 1
Let's look on the bright side, muppet. Hopefully we'll get a manager who is able to continue the work that's been started and who won't buy into the instant results mentality.
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Post by muppet on Jan 12, 2015 22:21:42 GMT 1
Hopefully so mistert.
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Post by statotheblue on Jan 12, 2015 22:51:32 GMT 1
Thank god ! Can u imagine giving Taylor 3/4 year deal. I think most of us would be on valium full time with his so called brand of football. His second spell has been uninspiring and at least he can do the non league circuit which he can take dickenson. Norris. German. Pritchard and macglashan with him to Canvey Island or maybe Chatham town. For a start, German isn't a Taylor signing. Allen signed him. Norris has done ok in patches. He's not been given a run in the team, but his goals have been important and scored at crucial games. No, not enough, but had to be critical of a player who has done ok in flashes, but not given a run in the side. Dickenson has improved a lot since the start of the season. There was a stat recently that when he and Norris started in forward positions, we'd won every game. He'll be a reasonable player long term, but remember, he started the season off the back of injury and didn't have a full pre season. Prichard has been injury prone. However, he was decent against Bristol City and I've seen the odd thing from him that suggests he has something. His passing ability and range is first class. Again, he needs games and a run in the team. McGlashan hasn't gone it yet, but he's the type of player you want signed. He's 26 and more experienced. Again, he's also had injury problems at the start of the season, which never helps a player. I've said this before, but being fit pre season is massive. It has a big effect on a player when he misses some of pre season. It can also take a player time to settle at a new club. Remember, Jordan Henderson was almost on his way from Liverpool, now he's going to be captain next year and is an England international. Your comments about the recent signings highlight the problem with your impatience and desire for immediate success. It doesn't happen I fully agree with the ideal's in your argument hessisgod but do feel regardless of who is made manager it is likely to be shortish term at first.Scally would need to get someone very special indeed to offer anywhere near a 3-4 year contract.If Scally were to give out a long contract with us at the wrong end of the table it is very unlikely that the manager would survive should we go down this or next season.Fans would make sure of that contract or no contract.There does seem to be a group of vocal fans who sit in the Medway stand who turn on manager after manager.It's going to need something special to win them over I feel.A Director of football could be our best chance of some stability. But if Scally is going down that route we need someone who knows the ropes so to speak.I know it is not always a success but I feel our club would benefit from it if you had the right person.But it would also need the manager to buy into the idea for it to work.Almost everyone today want things now nobody is willing to wait for anything I truly think the world would be a better place if they did.
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